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Right, if you think DE&I consists of "new ways to suggest everyone else stop being so racist / sexist / bigoted", you're clearly not into it. You realize those

Right, if you think DE&I consists of "new ways to suggest everyone else stop being so racist / sexist / bigoted", you're clearly not into it. You realize those who think it's important don't think that's what it is, right? If 20 employees were on the "social" committee planning a holiday party, would you consider that as "off the rails", because you are paying them (some here unspecified number of hours) to throw a damn party? I doubt anyone would get that up in arms about it. I get it, you think DE&I is a mistake, (unless you think coming up with new ways to tell people to stop being racist is not a mistake? But I think you were clear), so the more people involved in it, the bigger the mistake. But if someone thinks it's important, perhaps even more important than a holiday party, then the more people involved in it the better, and having a large portion of the company involved in it is not a mistake. That's it.

anon7725 6y ago
> If 20 employees were on the "social" committee planning a holiday party, would you consider that as "off the rails" The party planning committee would presumably not try to dictate which vendors the company deals with and which speaker is at the next all-hands meeting.
- jachee 6y ago
  If you think a party planning committee doesn't have real power and influence, bring nothing but carrot cakes and oatmeal raisin cookies to your next party.
moduspol 6y ago
> Right, if you think DE&I consists of "new ways to suggest everyone else stop being so racist / sexist / bigoted", you're clearly not into it. There's no other way for 20 out of 58 people to spend any significant length of time focused on D&I of the company they work for. 1 out of 58? Maybe. But 20? There's only one way this thing can end. > If 20 employees were on the "social" committee planning a holiday party, would you consider that as "off the rails", because you are paying them (some here unspecified number of hours) to throw a damn party? I doubt anyone would get that up in arms about it. A party planning committee is not targeting the rest of the company. > I get it, you think DE&I is a mistake, I didn't say it was a mistake. I said 1/3 of a small remote company focused on it shows it was off the rails. Maybe they should have just joined in. Each of the 58 employees could be brainstorming ways the other 57 employees can be less bigoted. Just hope they could find some time to write software, too.
- seoaeu 6y ago
  > A party planning committee is not targeting the rest of the company. Sounds like a pretty lame party if they're not inviting the rest of the company. Also, that you think discussing how to make a workplace more diverse, equitable, and inclusive is somehow "targeting" the other employees says a lot about your stance on those things.
- jachee 6y ago
  It's a committee. Not their primary job focus. You seem to be willfully misunderstanding that.
  - ZephyrBlu 6y ago
    Time and effort put into the committee comes at the expense of time and effort put into their primary job though.
    - jachee 6y ago
      And a lack of time and effort put into the committee led to the expense of having to buy out 1/3 of the staff. Wonder how that balances out.

anon7725 6y ago

> If 20 employees were on the "social" committee planning a holiday party, would you consider that as "off the rails" The party planning committee would presumably not try to dictate which vendors the company deals with and which speaker is at the next all-hands meeting.

jachee 6y ago
If you think a party planning committee doesn't have real power and influence, bring nothing but carrot cakes and oatmeal raisin cookies to your next party.

moduspol 6y ago

> Right, if you think DE&I consists of "new ways to suggest everyone else stop being so racist / sexist / bigoted", you're clearly not into it. There's no other way for 20 out of 58 people to spend any significant length of time focused on D&I of the company they work for. 1 out of 58? Maybe. But 20? There's only one way this thing can end. > If 20 employees were on the "social" committee planning a holiday party, would you consider that as "off the rails", because you are paying them (some here unspecified number of hours) to throw a damn party? I doubt anyone would get that up in arms about it. A party planning committee is not targeting the rest of the company. > I get it, you think DE&I is a mistake, I didn't say it was a mistake. I said 1/3 of a small remote company focused on it shows it was off the rails. Maybe they should have just joined in. Each of the 58 employees could be brainstorming ways the other 57 employees can be less bigoted. Just hope they could find some time to write software, too.

seoaeu 6y ago
> A party planning committee is not targeting the rest of the company. Sounds like a pretty lame party if they're not inviting the rest of the company. Also, that you think discussing how to make a workplace more diverse, equitable, and inclusive is somehow "targeting" the other employees says a lot about your stance on those things.
jachee 6y ago
It's a committee. Not their primary job focus. You seem to be willfully misunderstanding that.
- ZephyrBlu 6y ago
  Time and effort put into the committee comes at the expense of time and effort put into their primary job though.
  - jachee 6y ago
    And a lack of time and effort put into the committee led to the expense of having to buy out 1/3 of the staff. Wonder how that balances out.