I'd second this notion, but with the added caveat that without a 'mathy' way to solve the problem, you can't get much beyond the first 15 or so (if you're good

I'd second this notion, but with the added caveat that without a 'mathy' way to solve the problem, you can't get much beyond the first 15 or so (if you're good at math, great, if you just want to put down some code to solve a simple problem... I got frustrated :) )