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Paying poverty wages is wrong, and child labour is wrong. They don't cancel each other out.

by ramshorns 5y ago

humanrebar 5y ago
There's nothing wrong with a teenager mopping some floors. On the contrary, I learned a lot from the experience.
frankbreetz 5y ago
Is a 15-18 year old working fast food child labor?
- willcipriano 5y ago
  child "1. a young person especially between infancy and puberty 2. a person not yet of the age of majority..." It depends on the definition of child you are using, I always thought the first to be correct. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child
- ramshorns 5y ago
  Not really. I made the comment overly simplistic, probably 15 or 16 is a fine age to be allowed to start working.
tastyfreeze 5y ago
Exploitive child labor is wrong. Allowing teens to willingly enter an employmemt contract is neither exploitive nor child labor.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Allowing teens to willingly enter an employmemt contract is neither exploitive nor child labor. Non-adult teens (“Teen” spans the border) are indeed children, and their labor – while in some circumstances, quantities, etc. – permitted, is regulated as part of the broader regulation of child labor (which is not a total ban, even for very young children, and is graduated by age.) Whether it ought to be within the scope of acceptable child labor or not is a separate discussion, but it is child labor.
  - tastyfreeze 5y ago
    People learn skills by performing them. As parents we teach children life skills by having them help do the chore that daily life requires. When I have yard, mechanic, or construction work my children help. They have since they were able. I learned those skills by doing the same when I was young. By prohibiting capable teens from work, either by pricing them out or law, we are hobbling their ability to learn valuable work skills. As a result we end up with adults that are lacking simple work skills that would make their labor more valuable.
  - Nimitz14 5y ago
    No, a teenager is not a child.

Paying poverty wages is wrong, and child labour is wrong. They don't cancel each other out.

humanrebar 5y ago

There's nothing wrong with a teenager mopping some floors. On the contrary, I learned a lot from the experience.

frankbreetz 5y ago

Is a 15-18 year old working fast food child labor?

willcipriano 5y ago
child "1. a young person especially between infancy and puberty 2. a person not yet of the age of majority..." It depends on the definition of child you are using, I always thought the first to be correct. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child
ramshorns 5y ago
Not really. I made the comment overly simplistic, probably 15 or 16 is a fine age to be allowed to start working.

tastyfreeze 5y ago

Exploitive child labor is wrong. Allowing teens to willingly enter an employmemt contract is neither exploitive nor child labor.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Allowing teens to willingly enter an employmemt contract is neither exploitive nor child labor. Non-adult teens (“Teen” spans the border) are indeed children, and their labor – while in some circumstances, quantities, etc. – permitted, is regulated as part of the broader regulation of child labor (which is not a total ban, even for very young children, and is graduated by age.) Whether it ought to be within the scope of acceptable child labor or not is a separate discussion, but it is child labor.
- tastyfreeze 5y ago
  People learn skills by performing them. As parents we teach children life skills by having them help do the chore that daily life requires. When I have yard, mechanic, or construction work my children help. They have since they were able. I learned those skills by doing the same when I was young. By prohibiting capable teens from work, either by pricing them out or law, we are hobbling their ability to learn valuable work skills. As a result we end up with adults that are lacking simple work skills that would make their labor more valuable.
- Nimitz14 5y ago
  No, a teenager is not a child.