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> Treating people right is fundamental to how we do business. We treat our customers as we’d want to be treated, we treat each other like family ... [1] Absolu
by klelatti 6y ago
> Treating people right is fundamental to how we do business. We treat our customers as we’d want to be treated, we treat each other like family ... [1]
Absolutely spot on. I think they had an implicit contract with their team which they broke in a fundamental way.
Notable that DHH's twitter hasn't seen any expression of regret or thanks to the people who have worked hard to build Basecamp and now feel they have to go.
[1] https://basecamp.com/about https://basecamp.com/about
- spion 6y agoDHH is incapable of expressing regret in general.
- klelatti 6y agoMaybe the whole "we're the small guy being oppressed by Apple" thing has slightly clouded his judgement.
- spion 6y agoNo, its just the way he is and has always been. Its really sad. He misunderstood a comment about a pyramid and instead of investigating a bit more about the meaning he decided to assert managerial power. When he finally gets to the point where he realizes his mistake, I wonder how he'll spin it (subconciously) into a rant about how awesome he is that he realized his mistake.
- heartbreak 6y agoI wonder how much of this could have been avoided if he hadn’t confused the pyramid of hate with a flow chart.
- lupire 6y agoThe pyramid of hate is horrible PowerPoint-atyle information presentation; we should take a lesson from that.
- lupire 6y agoWhat pyramid comment?
- spion 6y agoThe one with genocide at the top. Nobody was implying actual genocide. In fact the ground level of the pyramid, where you do absolutely nothing wrong, is still necessary to build it. (i.e. to make any sort of mistakes you first need humans). If he understood it he could've just said "Yep you're right, we have to make sure we're not building the foundation for worse things" and be done with it. In fact he already agreed with that. I have no idea what he was thinking.
- solipsism 6y agoThe pyramid is a depiction of the fact that genocides can't happen without insensitive jokes. Of course it would be silly to read it as saying insensitive jokes necessarily lead to genocide. But why bring it into the conversation?? If you're not implying any link from jokes to genocides, why is it relevant? I agree that bringing the concept of genocide up in a conversation about insensitive jokes is absolutely escalating. We can talk about the direct harm of insensitive jokes. That conversation can stand alone.
- pseudalopex 6y agoThe pyramid says belittling jokes are acts of bias. It says they're as bad as slurs. It says they help prop up systemic discrimination. And it shows it isn't just 1 non expert's opinion. Those are debatable points. But they're relevant if someone else says belittling jokes are harmless. Did the employee say anything about genocide actually? Or did they just expect people to focus on the relevant parts?
- spion 6y agoIt looked to me like they all basically agreed with each other. I have no idea how its possible to escalate that.
- res0nat0r 6y agoLikely started when he got really successful from Rails then the ego just took over.
- rodgerd 6y agoIt only took him a decade to acknowledge that calling for porn in business presentations was a bad idea, so perhaps he'll have changed his opinion in the 2030s.
- ZephyrBlu 6y agoUm, is there some context that's missing here? That's quite an odd statement.
- filleduchaos 6y agoThis is the context: http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2009/04/25/why-rails-is-still-a-ghetto/comment-page-1/ http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2009/04/25/why-rails-is-still-a... Basically a bit over a decade ago, DHH was aware of and explicitly condoned a NSFW image in a Ruby conference talk's slides.
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