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What "system", besides a hostile takeover of a software project?

SahAssar 5y ago
Whatever the intentions of any party the result is a OSS codebase splitting in two because they don't agree on the future of the project. That is exactly what is supposed to happen when that problem arises.
- usbline 5y ago
  This is completely user-hostile and bordering on malware now. Though by your insistence of saying "OSS" I have a feeling you and GP don't actually care about software users, only developers.
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    How? Users [0] are free to either go with October's new direction or switch to WinterCMS, which seems to be fully compatible and a minimal change as of now. Thanks to this, users can now actually choose which way they prefer, instead of being forced in either direction! [0] As in "developers using the CMS"; for actual users of projects based on the CMS, absolutely nothing changes.
    - usbline 5y ago
      Not every user monitors every single goings on with their software. There is also no mention of the software becoming proprietary on the October CMS website. Users shouldn't have to keep tabs on their free software for fear of it becoming proprietary due to a hostile takeover.
      - hluska 5y ago
        It mentions their move to paid only on the homepage.
        usbline 5y ago
        Paid doesn't mean proprietary.
        hluska 5y ago
        No, but you could click one link and read a short blog article - the word proprietary is just a few hundred words in. Calling this a hostile takeover is being extremely overdramatic. There was a fork.
  - ludamad 5y ago
    As someone who doesn't own software I buy from major companies, but continues to collectively own old versions of October CMS, I don't feel much malware. There's still a good deal of actual software here.
  - suramya_tomar 5y ago
    Are you talking about the fork or the original project? I agree the original project's move is a bit user hostile as it now requires people to pay immediately if they want to continue receiving updates. However, I don't see how this can be 'bordering on malware' That being said, it is the right of the maintainers to fork the software as allowed by the Open Source license the original code was under. Users now have the choice of paying the original company or using the free version with a new name. I fail to see how this is user-hostile.
latortuga 5y ago
What is hostile? If they own the IP they can do whatever they want with it.
- usbline 5y ago
  Anti-social rationale like that is the reason we're in the societal mess that we're in.
- moomin 5y ago
  If someone points a gun at you, I doubt you would consider whether or not they owned it before evaluating if their actions were hostile.
ineedasername 5y ago
How is it a hostile takeover? One group has decided to continue development in a different direction. Others have decided they want to continue on the current path.

Whatever the intentions of any party the result is a OSS codebase splitting in two because they don't agree on the future of the project. That is exactly what is supposed to happen when that problem arises.

usbline 5y ago
This is completely user-hostile and bordering on malware now. Though by your insistence of saying "OSS" I have a feeling you and GP don't actually care about software users, only developers.
- Sebb767 5y ago
  How? Users [0] are free to either go with October's new direction or switch to WinterCMS, which seems to be fully compatible and a minimal change as of now. Thanks to this, users can now actually choose which way they prefer, instead of being forced in either direction! [0] As in "developers using the CMS"; for actual users of projects based on the CMS, absolutely nothing changes.
  - usbline 5y ago
    Not every user monitors every single goings on with their software. There is also no mention of the software becoming proprietary on the October CMS website. Users shouldn't have to keep tabs on their free software for fear of it becoming proprietary due to a hostile takeover.
    - hluska 5y ago
      It mentions their move to paid only on the homepage.
      - usbline 5y ago
        Paid doesn't mean proprietary.
        hluska 5y ago
        No, but you could click one link and read a short blog article - the word proprietary is just a few hundred words in. Calling this a hostile takeover is being extremely overdramatic. There was a fork.
- ludamad 5y ago
  As someone who doesn't own software I buy from major companies, but continues to collectively own old versions of October CMS, I don't feel much malware. There's still a good deal of actual software here.
- suramya_tomar 5y ago
  Are you talking about the fork or the original project? I agree the original project's move is a bit user hostile as it now requires people to pay immediately if they want to continue receiving updates. However, I don't see how this can be 'bordering on malware' That being said, it is the right of the maintainers to fork the software as allowed by the Open Source license the original code was under. Users now have the choice of paying the original company or using the free version with a new name. I fail to see how this is user-hostile.

latortuga 5y ago

What is hostile? If they own the IP they can do whatever they want with it.

usbline 5y ago
Anti-social rationale like that is the reason we're in the societal mess that we're in.
moomin 5y ago
If someone points a gun at you, I doubt you would consider whether or not they owned it before evaluating if their actions were hostile.

ineedasername 5y ago

How is it a hostile takeover? One group has decided to continue development in a different direction. Others have decided they want to continue on the current path.