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Even if there is some benefit to grandma, that still doesn't justify Prop 13 covering anything other than the owner's primary residence.

rcpt 5y ago
Yup. But when 13 was passed it wasn't about grandma. Jerry Brown put together 1978 Prop 8 for that. Howard Jarvis convinced voters that the state was taxing their money away for no reason and demanded big cuts as a vengeful "revolt". https://teachingmalinche.com/2018/08/26/the-summer-that-elvis-died-and-proposition-13-was-born/ https://teachingmalinche.com/2018/08/26/the-summer-that-elvi... It's gross down to the core. Look at the kind of things Jarvis was saying: > The public school system is second to none in waste, incompetence, and zero results. I think the public school system is a cancer on this society. The only difference between the public schools and the Mafia is that the public schools steal more money. https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/howard-jarvis-mad-hell-76-lr-interview https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/howard-ja...
- Dracophoenix 5y ago
  Jarvis isn't wrong. Even today the United States is either at the top or near the top of education spending per student [1] with little to show for it in terms of results. The solution that government has proposed for the last 40 or so years has been to throw billions (if not trillions) of dollars into a wishing well, hope for best, and tax some more in case that doesn't work out. Why should people be forced to pay more at gunpoint for the same brand of mediocre education? Inflation rates have been wildly outpaced by education spending for such a long time now that it's not a reasonable excuse. So then at what point does one pull away the wool covering one's eyes and begin to see that they are being robbed? It may not be the teachers' doing but someone, may be at the administrative levels, is obviously profiting. [1]https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-education.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country...
  - rcpt 5y ago
    > Even today the United States is either at the top or near the top of education spending per student And the US is dead near the bottom in social spending. As a result American schools are asked to do a hell of a lot more than other nations. American teacher salaries are higher than overseas but, by US standards, teachers aren't paid very much. In the US salaries are high but social safety nets are non-existent. In California it's even more extreme because the cost of living is out of control (arguably because of Prop 13). > little to show for it in terms of results. Curious why you think that. The UCs are the envy of the planet and, before Jarvis, they were free. People bust their ass at IIT, Tsingua, or ETH Zurich then fly over here for grad school at UCLA where they ultimately land jobs at American companies. Why you'd want to defund this process I have no idea. Seems like the kind of thing we should be aggressively expanding. For K-12, unlike most of the world, US schools have been educating more and more people from different ethnic backgrounds. It's no secret that blacks and hispanics do worse on standardized math tests and when you mix them in with the rest of course average scores go down. But when you slice by ethnicity both groups individually have been improving. > someone, may be at the administrative levels, is obviously profiting. "obviously" you should be able to point to who it is

rcpt 5y ago

Yup. But when 13 was passed it wasn't about grandma. Jerry Brown put together 1978 Prop 8 for that. Howard Jarvis convinced voters that the state was taxing their money away for no reason and demanded big cuts as a vengeful "revolt". https://teachingmalinche.com/2018/08/26/the-summer-that-elvis-died-and-proposition-13-was-born/ https://teachingmalinche.com/2018/08/26/the-summer-that-elvi... It's gross down to the core. Look at the kind of things Jarvis was saying: > The public school system is second to none in waste, incompetence, and zero results. I think the public school system is a cancer on this society. The only difference between the public schools and the Mafia is that the public schools steal more money. https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/howard-jarvis-mad-hell-76-lr-interview https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/howard-ja...

Dracophoenix 5y ago
Jarvis isn't wrong. Even today the United States is either at the top or near the top of education spending per student [1] with little to show for it in terms of results. The solution that government has proposed for the last 40 or so years has been to throw billions (if not trillions) of dollars into a wishing well, hope for best, and tax some more in case that doesn't work out. Why should people be forced to pay more at gunpoint for the same brand of mediocre education? Inflation rates have been wildly outpaced by education spending for such a long time now that it's not a reasonable excuse. So then at what point does one pull away the wool covering one's eyes and begin to see that they are being robbed? It may not be the teachers' doing but someone, may be at the administrative levels, is obviously profiting. [1]https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country-spends-most-education.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-country...
- rcpt 5y ago
  > Even today the United States is either at the top or near the top of education spending per student And the US is dead near the bottom in social spending. As a result American schools are asked to do a hell of a lot more than other nations. American teacher salaries are higher than overseas but, by US standards, teachers aren't paid very much. In the US salaries are high but social safety nets are non-existent. In California it's even more extreme because the cost of living is out of control (arguably because of Prop 13). > little to show for it in terms of results. Curious why you think that. The UCs are the envy of the planet and, before Jarvis, they were free. People bust their ass at IIT, Tsingua, or ETH Zurich then fly over here for grad school at UCLA where they ultimately land jobs at American companies. Why you'd want to defund this process I have no idea. Seems like the kind of thing we should be aggressively expanding. For K-12, unlike most of the world, US schools have been educating more and more people from different ethnic backgrounds. It's no secret that blacks and hispanics do worse on standardized math tests and when you mix them in with the rest of course average scores go down. But when you slice by ethnicity both groups individually have been improving. > someone, may be at the administrative levels, is obviously profiting. "obviously" you should be able to point to who it is