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Nope. Those are all the results of laws which came from politically elected officials who made policy. None of my employers limited work hours or work days or

by xbar 6y ago

Nope. Those are all the results of laws which came from politically elected officials who made policy. None of my employers limited work hours or work days or children at work because of political discourse in the office. Nor did historical companies from 3 generations ago when such laws were passed. All of those laws were created because companies did NOT implement such limits.

hire_charts 6y ago
Who do you think convinced the politicians to make it happen? Lobbyists? (Ha.) It came out of labor movements! Strikes and walkouts! In 1867 workers shut down the entire Chicago economy for a week! (Congress then passed an 8-hour law in 1868, but that was just one step along the way.)
nickff 6y ago
>All of those laws were created because companies did NOT implement such limits. Many of the 'work standards' laws (including child labor laws) were actually enforcing standards and best-practices which originated from industry leaders. One example is how the mechanized textile manufacturers eliminated child labor (as it was unnecessary and uneconomical), then lobbied governments to ban child labor (probably to 'punish' their competitors). The 40-hour work week (largely) originated at various industry-leaders (notably including Ford, which was very efficient, and preferred energetic and loyal workers over tired and seasonal ones). https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/40-hour-workweek-henry-ford-1026067-2017-07-27 https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs...
- Ar-Curunir 6y ago
  If by "industry leaders" you mean unionized workers, then sure.
  - nickff 6y ago
    Ford was not unionized when they moved to the 40-hour work week, and the textile mills weren't unionized when they eliminated child labor.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      No, but movements for minimum age limits in industry began in unions in the mid 1800s, and the Democratic party adopting a pro-minimum-age law stance was due to pressure from Unions. Similarly, the push for 8 hour workdays began with union support in the mid 1800s, 50+ years before Ford popularized it (and in fact it was due to this pressure that public sector employees had 8-hour workdays as early as 1869). Individual states had banned child labor and passed 8-hour workday laws (due to union and public pressure) far before Ford or the Textile mills did so "voluntarily".
Ar-Curunir 6y ago
Educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_rights_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_r... https://www.timesizing.com/history-of-the-american-workweek/ https://www.timesizing.com/history-of-the-american-workweek/
rospaya 6y ago
It's extremely ironic to read this on the international workers day, May 1st. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day People died so you can have an 8 hour workday, and they organized in the workplace.

by xbar 6y ago

hire_charts 6y ago

Who do you think convinced the politicians to make it happen? Lobbyists? (Ha.) It came out of labor movements! Strikes and walkouts! In 1867 workers shut down the entire Chicago economy for a week! (Congress then passed an 8-hour law in 1868, but that was just one step along the way.)

nickff 6y ago

>All of those laws were created because companies did NOT implement such limits. Many of the 'work standards' laws (including child labor laws) were actually enforcing standards and best-practices which originated from industry leaders. One example is how the mechanized textile manufacturers eliminated child labor (as it was unnecessary and uneconomical), then lobbied governments to ban child labor (probably to 'punish' their competitors). The 40-hour work week (largely) originated at various industry-leaders (notably including Ford, which was very efficient, and preferred energetic and loyal workers over tired and seasonal ones). https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/40-hour-workweek-henry-ford-1026067-2017-07-27 https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs...

Ar-Curunir 6y ago
If by "industry leaders" you mean unionized workers, then sure.
- nickff 6y ago
  Ford was not unionized when they moved to the 40-hour work week, and the textile mills weren't unionized when they eliminated child labor.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    No, but movements for minimum age limits in industry began in unions in the mid 1800s, and the Democratic party adopting a pro-minimum-age law stance was due to pressure from Unions. Similarly, the push for 8 hour workdays began with union support in the mid 1800s, 50+ years before Ford popularized it (and in fact it was due to this pressure that public sector employees had 8-hour workdays as early as 1869). Individual states had banned child labor and passed 8-hour workday laws (due to union and public pressure) far before Ford or the Textile mills did so "voluntarily".

Ar-Curunir 6y ago

Educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_rights_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_r... https://www.timesizing.com/history-of-the-american-workweek/ https://www.timesizing.com/history-of-the-american-workweek/

rospaya 6y ago

It's extremely ironic to read this on the international workers day, May 1st. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day People died so you can have an 8 hour workday, and they organized in the workplace.