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HN Points
- inconditus 15y agoPrevious comments: http://apps.ycombinator.com/item?id=2568453 http://apps.ycombinator.com/item?id=2568453
- astrofinch 15y agoWhat's the difference between apps subdomain and the news subdomain?
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- shii 15y agoOr just make a way to retrieve the points from hnsearch.com since they have access to them anyways... Also, searchyc.com is now back up, but I'm not sure whether it has points access yet (it didn't before it went down during the initial points removal). Seems like this is tackling the issue in the wrong way. Points won't be near accurate even, since most people won't have this installed. something something over engineering something something occam's razor.
- jackowayed 15y agohnsearch gets points after a few days
- spicyj 15y agoUnfortunately, there's no way to look up an item by ID using the HNSearch API, so it's not much use for building something to show points on all comments.
- J3L2404 15y agoApparently the time delay is now down to 1 min. http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=hnsearch+points&start=0 http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=hnsearch+po...
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- judofyr 15y agoI just wrote a simple user script using the HNSearch API for showing points: http://d.pr/7vYm http://d.pr/7vYm. Not quite sure if I should release it though…
- comex 15y ago> Or choose: Chrome | Firefox | Opera | Greasemonkey | Bookmarklet Someone went to a lot of effort over this.
- tobylane 15y agoOr made it in portable javascript and spent the last 30 mins porting it.
- StavrosK 15y agoIf I recall correctly, Opera, Chrome and Safari use the exact same standard for extensions, so porting would take about ten minutes to do all three. I ported a Greasemonkey extension to Opera in about five minutes. It's basically Firefox and then everything else.
- Osiris 15y agoExcept the Opera extension gets served as application/zip so Opera puts a ZIP extension on it and you have to manually rename it to .oex.
- Indyan 15y agoYeah, Opera extension has incorrect MIME.
- dclowd9901 15y agoI know this is probably digressing too far from the topic at hand, but I just want to say that, having used plenty of sites that do display their points, it's refreshing to me that HN doesn't. I think seeing points has the psychological effect of swaying popular opinion one way or the other (the token "hivemind" -- you probably know more or less who I'm referring to).
- rubergly 15y agoToo bad the same behavior happens anyway because of recognizable names.
- lhnz 15y agoThat actually is the case for me now, and it's difficult to stop myself. There are a handful of users that always post interesting posts so when I am skimming a thread and read one of their posts I am always more considerate to them...
- gnosis 15y agoPeople also probably make enemies on HN, and vote against people who they think have particularly loathsome opinions or against those who they've gotten in to particularly acrimonious arguments with. Revenge voting, spite voting, and fan voting would be mostly mitigated by making comments anonymous (ie. by not showing usernames next to comments). But people could still intentionally or unintentionally give themselves away by, for example, either signing their comment or by writing in a distinctive style. In any case, I'm pretty sure HN will never switch to completely anonymous comments for everyone, so this is all purely hypothetical.
- mixmax 15y agobesides it isn't true. PG posted at some point that comments which had a lot of points before actually have more points after the don't-show-points change.
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- siddhant 15y agoSometime back, there was a poll about how many users wanted to see points versus how many users don't. And I still remember that (much) more users wanted to see comment scores. Is there any plan to bring it back?
- egor83 15y agoPG: I didn't say I'd do whatever got the most votes. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2595783 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2595783
- mhb 15y agoSo what was the point of the poll if a convincing vote outcome has no effect?
- someone13 15y agoIt wasn't a referendum - pg never said that he would follow the poll. I'm assuming (standard disclaimer, ass, you, me, etc.) that it was simply an informational poll.
- Goladus 15y agoWhether poll results are convincing is subjective. A US jury, for example, convinces only with a unanimous vote.
- mhb 15y agoAlthough that is often the case in criminal cases, it's not generally true that unanimity is required for a US jury verdict. And, regarding your main point - duh. What would the result of that poll have had to have been to make it a compelling (e.g., actionable) argument for comment points?
- Goladus 15y ago> And, regarding your main point - duh. What would the result of that poll have had to have been to make it a compelling (e.g., actionable) argument for comment points? I'm not sure, because I don't have a clear view of all relevant data. For example, I might weigh obvservations of improved discussion against the poll results. I'm not sure how overwhelming the majority would have to be, but if there was one, it would probably at least sway me to to do some more investigation. And pg's comment was: I'm curious if there has been any drift toward a consensus. A three-fifths majority isn't really consensus.
- johnx123 15y agoVery useful. Another necessary addon is "who up/down voted". Often I'm noticing that people are down voting for their disagreements, instead for poor comments.
- crizCraig 15y agoRelated post: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2699465 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2699465
- yason 15y agoHow many tokens of Arc would it take to make the display of comment scores configurable? I know that removing options is a good way to impose design but this just might be one of the cases for which mere user preference is enough.
- mmaunder 15y agoInteresting psychological hook in this. You'd better download it or you'll be the blind man in the valley of the one-eyed.
- raganwald 15y agoImagine that only a small minority of users--perhaps as few as just one-- do not use this and are "blind." What is the disadvantage to them?
- gnosis 15y agoVery interesting question. I am probably not going to use it myself, simply because I don't want to be swayed by other people's opinions of any given comment. Unfortunately, even without visible comment scores there's still some indication of how many votes a given comment has received.[1] But if you don't want to be swayed by the herd, not seeing comment scores is still a step forward. The only disadvantages of not seeing comment scores I can think of are that without them the reader would be less effective at using the "wisdom of the crowd" to gauge the relative worth of comments, and his curiosity wouldn't be satisfied. [1] - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2701906 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2701906
- raganwald 15y agoThis debate has been done to death, but I will not be using this because I think the existing UI features give me all the value I need. Most importantly, the way severely downmodded comments get grayed out. Beyond that, I don't personally care whether a comment is +3 or +103. I don't want to miss a nugget of wisdom in a +3 comment. I like all you folks, and I trust you to filter out complete dreck like redditesque attempt to create pun threads, but beyond that I plan to read everyone's opinions and form my own conclusions. Don't think of it as disdain for your opinions about other people's opinions, think of it as respect for your opinions.
- creativeone 15y agoInstalled...anyone else in?
- exterm 15y agoOpera "extension" seems to install as a widget when it should be an extension... anyone else experiencing this problem?