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I imagine people are wary of circulating the list because it's private data - people's names - from the Basecamp client list. It also sounds like those names mi

I imagine people are wary of circulating the list because it's private data - people's names - from the Basecamp client list. It also sounds like those names might well be easy to Google, so they wouldn't even be anonymous. They shouldn't even have been shared internally, let alone externally. The idea that it's racist is that the names were only funny to English speakers, because they sounded like English words they consider funny, from the reporting I'd guess things like butt, dick or fart. That feels really condescending and exclusionary if you're on the receiving end of it.

enriquto 6y ago
> The idea that it's racist is that the names were only funny to English speakers, because they sounded like English words they consider funny This makes no sense to me: aren't native English-speakers of many races? Aren't there non-English speakers of many races also? Moreover, this happens with any pair of languages. I'm not a native English speaker and there are some English names that sound extremely hilarious in my language. I see myself compiling such a list just for fun. I wouldn't expect English people to be offended by this silly thing, which is inevitable: when there are different languages, there are word collisions and some of them are funny. > people's names - from the Basecamp client list. Ouch, this is different, then! I did not pay attention to this detail. Now I understand why the list of names does not circulate (but still, I don't get what could be so bad about it).
- jolux 6y ago
  >but still, I don't get what could be so bad about it Making fun of people in a way that isn’t offensive is a tight line to walk interpersonally and best avoided altogether in professional circumstances. This is particularly true if you’re making fun of people for fundamental aspects of their identity, like names. How would you feel if your name was on a list somewhere and people were laughing at it and cracking jokes about it regularly? Some people might be okay with this, but I think others might be rather offended by it.
- frereubu 6y ago
  > I wouldn't expect English people to be offended by this silly thing... I imagine it depends to a large extent on whether you've heard the same shitty joke about your name - hur dur your name sounds like butt! - from far too many people in your professional life. Remember, this is a list of client names that was created solely for the purposes of ridicule while being passed around internal Basecamp networks. In terms of racism, I'm white and British, and it definitely has a flavour of the cultural racism that was prevalent during the British Empire which, for all its differences, America inherited.
- kbenson 6y ago
  According to their response, it seems some of the names on the list (according to the founder, something like 6 of the 72) were phonetically funny in English but Asian in origin (as opposed to the rest, which were mostly European and phonetically funny because of suffixing "son" to something that sounded funny). The implication as I understood it, as when this was pointed out as to why while it was an inappropriate list it wasn't necessarily inappropriate in a racial way one of the employees responded by initiated an HR discrimination case against founder, is that the people that saw it as a racial issue are not happy to have it classified as not one.
- kingsuper20 6y ago
  >there are some English names that sound extremely hilarious in my language. I'd love to hear some, that sounds great. Hah, cool. https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-names-that-sound-funny-in-other-languages/510236/4 https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-names-that-sound-f...
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moistbar 6y ago
So the fact that the Chevy nova didn't sell in spanish speaking countries because the name means "no go" is racist too, then, right? I'm just applying the same logic.
- flobosg 6y ago
  > A popular but false urban legend claims that the vehicle sold poorly in Spanish-speaking countries because no va literally translates to "it doesn't go". This has since been debunked, however, as Nova (one word) means "nova" in Spanish just as in English. In fact, the car actually sold quite well in Mexico, as well as many Central and South American countries. Nova was also the name of a successful brand of gasoline sold in Mexico at the time, further proving that the name confusion was not a problem. —https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Chevy_II_/_Nova#Urban_legend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Chevy_II_/_Nova#Urba...
  - gkedzierski 6y ago
    You won’t find Mitsubishi Pajero in the Spanish speaking countries though…
    - flobosg 6y ago
      Or Mazda Laputa, or Nissan Moco.
    - moistbar 6y ago
      Super racist!

enriquto 6y ago

> The idea that it's racist is that the names were only funny to English speakers, because they sounded like English words they consider funny This makes no sense to me: aren't native English-speakers of many races? Aren't there non-English speakers of many races also? Moreover, this happens with any pair of languages. I'm not a native English speaker and there are some English names that sound extremely hilarious in my language. I see myself compiling such a list just for fun. I wouldn't expect English people to be offended by this silly thing, which is inevitable: when there are different languages, there are word collisions and some of them are funny. > people's names - from the Basecamp client list. Ouch, this is different, then! I did not pay attention to this detail. Now I understand why the list of names does not circulate (but still, I don't get what could be so bad about it).

jolux 6y ago
>but still, I don't get what could be so bad about it Making fun of people in a way that isn’t offensive is a tight line to walk interpersonally and best avoided altogether in professional circumstances. This is particularly true if you’re making fun of people for fundamental aspects of their identity, like names. How would you feel if your name was on a list somewhere and people were laughing at it and cracking jokes about it regularly? Some people might be okay with this, but I think others might be rather offended by it.
frereubu 6y ago
> I wouldn't expect English people to be offended by this silly thing... I imagine it depends to a large extent on whether you've heard the same shitty joke about your name - hur dur your name sounds like butt! - from far too many people in your professional life. Remember, this is a list of client names that was created solely for the purposes of ridicule while being passed around internal Basecamp networks. In terms of racism, I'm white and British, and it definitely has a flavour of the cultural racism that was prevalent during the British Empire which, for all its differences, America inherited.
kbenson 6y ago
According to their response, it seems some of the names on the list (according to the founder, something like 6 of the 72) were phonetically funny in English but Asian in origin (as opposed to the rest, which were mostly European and phonetically funny because of suffixing "son" to something that sounded funny). The implication as I understood it, as when this was pointed out as to why while it was an inappropriate list it wasn't necessarily inappropriate in a racial way one of the employees responded by initiated an HR discrimination case against founder, is that the people that saw it as a racial issue are not happy to have it classified as not one.
kingsuper20 6y ago
>there are some English names that sound extremely hilarious in my language. I'd love to hear some, that sounds great. Hah, cool. https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-names-that-sound-funny-in-other-languages/510236/4 https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-names-that-sound-f...
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moistbar 6y ago

So the fact that the Chevy nova didn't sell in spanish speaking countries because the name means "no go" is racist too, then, right? I'm just applying the same logic.

flobosg 6y ago
> A popular but false urban legend claims that the vehicle sold poorly in Spanish-speaking countries because no va literally translates to "it doesn't go". This has since been debunked, however, as Nova (one word) means "nova" in Spanish just as in English. In fact, the car actually sold quite well in Mexico, as well as many Central and South American countries. Nova was also the name of a successful brand of gasoline sold in Mexico at the time, further proving that the name confusion was not a problem. —https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Chevy_II_/_Nova#Urban_legend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Chevy_II_/_Nova#Urba...
- gkedzierski 6y ago
  You won’t find Mitsubishi Pajero in the Spanish speaking countries though…
  - flobosg 6y ago
    Or Mazda Laputa, or Nissan Moco.
  - moistbar 6y ago
    Super racist!