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"Antonio now works at Facebook" http://adgrok.com/about/ http://adgrok.com/about/

by forgotmypasswd 15y ago

trustfundbaby 15y ago
wait ... what?! After the work-for-yourself jingoism?!?!
- forensic 15y ago
  What else is new. Bloggers get rich by getting your attention, not by helping you.
  - sliverstorm 15y ago
    To extend upon that, bloggers get rich by getting your attention, which does not actually require they practice, subscribe to or even believe what they are telling you.
    - Confusion 15y ago
      However, this is not a blogger. Also: Schopenhauer[1]. [1] Famously did not abide by his own philosophy, which does not make it a single bit less insightful or valuable.
      - toadi 15y ago
        Was ready to make the same comment. Especially most philosophers working on ethical issues didn't follow their own propositions.
- alnayyir 15y ago
  Hypocrisy is the norm with much of what passes through here. At least GS employees don't have any pretensions to holiness. I'd much rather work with people who are honest with themselves about their motivations than who try to push the suffering under the surface with bullshit rationalizations like that in the post.
  - alnayyir 15y ago
    Downvoters who may not know better: it's generally expected that if you downvote someone, you will accompany that with an explanation of why you downvoted. We're here to communicate, not bicker over popularity contests.
    - forgotmypasswd 15y ago
      What is the karma threshold to get down voting ability?
  - Apocryphon 15y ago
    It isn't hypocritical. Facebook is a giant startup, after all. Perhaps much of the loose, casual culture still remains there, and you don't have to worry about the corporate shell games and hierarchy that financial firms like GS would have in scads.
  - dodo53 15y ago
    Heh - well, some of them have pretensions to holiness http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226114/Goldman-Sachs-chief-says-Gods-work-defends-banks-bumper-profits.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226114/Goldman-Sach... (I do know people there who are very nice also)
- wisty 15y ago
  Well, he hated working for a company where engineers were second-class citizens, and all the staff were treated as fighting cocks. I'd imagine that at Facebook, engineers are treated as first class citizens. I dislike Facebook as a product, and I'm not sure I trust Zuckerberg, but I really respect the company. Roughly 200 engineers running a tech product that millions of grandmas use is no mean feat. I bet they don't treat their engineers as mere cogs in a machine.
  - yid 15y ago
    FYI, it's been a while since FB was 200 engineers. The average size of the summer intern class itself is about 200.
bb75 15y ago
Yes. Isn't that curious, to say the least? First he complains about becoming a serf at GS - where I am assuming no one hides the fact that everyone is indeed a serf, and the pretense that it is not all about money, is kept at a minimum, if any at all. If GS was the frying pan, then, in my view, he jumped into the fire at Facebook where he is now working for an adolescent-minded, untransformed individual, who traded his personal integrity for the fruits of lust - "success, sex, money, fame" - under the guise of "helping connect people"... Goes to show you that the old Buckaroo Banzai saying holds true for Antonio as well... Whereever you go, Antonio, there you are. Still a wannabe human being... with much growing left over to do.
- orijing 15y ago
  adolescent-minded, untransformed individual, who traded his personal integrity for the fruits of lust - "success, sex, money, fame" - under the guise of "helping connect people"... The Movie does not count as a valid reference.
  - MaxGabriel 15y ago
    Also his prof from Harvard said that was nothing like him, plus credible sources like LAT pretty much concluding the movie was bs Also, to bb75, isn't that a little black and white? Facebook doesn't give all its money to charity so its as bad as GS?
    - bb75 15y ago
      Unless his professor had a similar deal/partnership with Mark, where large swaths of money and opportunity was at stake, then the professor's point is moot.
  - irahul 15y ago
    > under the guise of "helping connect people"... And the guise is working pretty well. It's really connecting people.
    - 15y ago
mlinsey 15y ago
The reaction in all the other replies to your comment astounds me. I am reminded of a comment from PG earlier today, which he made in a thread on a totally different topic: "Your comment is a classic instance of people on a forum rushing to judgment based on incomplete information. It's isomorphic to the sort of thing one sees on reddit, except that it's about startups rather than the federal government or international bankers." In this case, Antonio made an argument a year ago about why starting a startup was better than continuing to work for a Wall Street bank. He made no claim that continuing to run a year-old startup was better than working for a large tech company. That of course depends on many other factors about the startup, about the large tech company, and about whatever offers were made. Nobody on this thread knows any of those details, but that apparently doesn't stop anyone from rushing to judgement.
- StavrosK 15y ago
  "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
pagefruit 15y ago
Wasn't AdGrok just acquired by Twitter? (Did he move to FB before the acquisition?)

"Antonio now works at Facebook" http://adgrok.com/about/ http://adgrok.com/about/

trustfundbaby 15y ago

wait ... what?! After the work-for-yourself jingoism?!?!

forensic 15y ago
What else is new. Bloggers get rich by getting your attention, not by helping you.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  To extend upon that, bloggers get rich by getting your attention, which does not actually require they practice, subscribe to or even believe what they are telling you.
  - Confusion 15y ago
    However, this is not a blogger. Also: Schopenhauer[1]. [1] Famously did not abide by his own philosophy, which does not make it a single bit less insightful or valuable.
    - toadi 15y ago
      Was ready to make the same comment. Especially most philosophers working on ethical issues didn't follow their own propositions.
alnayyir 15y ago
Hypocrisy is the norm with much of what passes through here. At least GS employees don't have any pretensions to holiness. I'd much rather work with people who are honest with themselves about their motivations than who try to push the suffering under the surface with bullshit rationalizations like that in the post.
- alnayyir 15y ago
  Downvoters who may not know better: it's generally expected that if you downvote someone, you will accompany that with an explanation of why you downvoted. We're here to communicate, not bicker over popularity contests.
  - forgotmypasswd 15y ago
    What is the karma threshold to get down voting ability?
- Apocryphon 15y ago
  It isn't hypocritical. Facebook is a giant startup, after all. Perhaps much of the loose, casual culture still remains there, and you don't have to worry about the corporate shell games and hierarchy that financial firms like GS would have in scads.
- dodo53 15y ago
  Heh - well, some of them have pretensions to holiness http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226114/Goldman-Sachs-chief-says-Gods-work-defends-banks-bumper-profits.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226114/Goldman-Sach... (I do know people there who are very nice also)
wisty 15y ago
Well, he hated working for a company where engineers were second-class citizens, and all the staff were treated as fighting cocks. I'd imagine that at Facebook, engineers are treated as first class citizens. I dislike Facebook as a product, and I'm not sure I trust Zuckerberg, but I really respect the company. Roughly 200 engineers running a tech product that millions of grandmas use is no mean feat. I bet they don't treat their engineers as mere cogs in a machine.
- yid 15y ago
  FYI, it's been a while since FB was 200 engineers. The average size of the summer intern class itself is about 200.

bb75 15y ago

Yes. Isn't that curious, to say the least? First he complains about becoming a serf at GS - where I am assuming no one hides the fact that everyone is indeed a serf, and the pretense that it is not all about money, is kept at a minimum, if any at all. If GS was the frying pan, then, in my view, he jumped into the fire at Facebook where he is now working for an adolescent-minded, untransformed individual, who traded his personal integrity for the fruits of lust - "success, sex, money, fame" - under the guise of "helping connect people"... Goes to show you that the old Buckaroo Banzai saying holds true for Antonio as well... Whereever you go, Antonio, there you are. Still a wannabe human being... with much growing left over to do.

orijing 15y ago
adolescent-minded, untransformed individual, who traded his personal integrity for the fruits of lust - "success, sex, money, fame" - under the guise of "helping connect people"... The Movie does not count as a valid reference.
- MaxGabriel 15y ago
  Also his prof from Harvard said that was nothing like him, plus credible sources like LAT pretty much concluding the movie was bs Also, to bb75, isn't that a little black and white? Facebook doesn't give all its money to charity so its as bad as GS?
  - bb75 15y ago
    Unless his professor had a similar deal/partnership with Mark, where large swaths of money and opportunity was at stake, then the professor's point is moot.
- irahul 15y ago
  > under the guise of "helping connect people"... And the guise is working pretty well. It's really connecting people.
  - 15y ago

mlinsey 15y ago

The reaction in all the other replies to your comment astounds me. I am reminded of a comment from PG earlier today, which he made in a thread on a totally different topic: "Your comment is a classic instance of people on a forum rushing to judgment based on incomplete information. It's isomorphic to the sort of thing one sees on reddit, except that it's about startups rather than the federal government or international bankers." In this case, Antonio made an argument a year ago about why starting a startup was better than continuing to work for a Wall Street bank. He made no claim that continuing to run a year-old startup was better than working for a large tech company. That of course depends on many other factors about the startup, about the large tech company, and about whatever offers were made. Nobody on this thread knows any of those details, but that apparently doesn't stop anyone from rushing to judgement.

StavrosK 15y ago
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

pagefruit 15y ago

Wasn't AdGrok just acquired by Twitter? (Did he move to FB before the acquisition?)