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> Plus CCP would kill hundreds of thousands or millions during a forceful invasion of Taiwan. > They want control. Does not add up. Who're they going to contr

by f6v 6y ago

> Plus CCP would kill hundreds of thousands or millions during a forceful invasion of Taiwan. > They want control. Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions? I mean, why do they even have to start a military offensive when they can eventually outcompete Taiwan? Just think how many top-rated universities China has.

theandrewbailey 6y ago
> Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions? Their citizens on the mainland. The CCP believes that if they don't look good, their days are numbered and revolution will be inevitable.
- xtian 6y ago
  A survey conducted by the Harvard Kennedy School found that satisfaction with the central government in China rose from 86.1% in 2003 to 93.1% in 2016: https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resil... Is the US government's abysmal approval rating by comparison a sign of our free thinking and freedom, or do you think we'll have a revolution here soon?
  - chitowneats 6y ago
    This is laughable. Chinese citizens are required to approve of their government, lest they run afoul of the national social credit system. That the study was conducted by a Western organization is irrelevant. Chinese citizens know that their communications with the West are not private, and perhaps even especially subject to monitoring and intrusion from their government. Edit: I usually don't call out blatant CCP astroturfing on this site. But I want to draw everyone's attention to the video that u/xtian just shared in the comment below. It's clearly Chinese Communist Party propaganda. It's tagged #serpentza and #laowhy86 because those are the two most famous Western streamers who have lived in China for decades. The CCP specifically targets people who watch their videos for counter programming. I'm done interacting with this "person", but will respond to comments from others. Check out serpentza's youtube for the truth about China: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg
    - xtian 6y ago
      Yeah true the only way to know their real interests is to listen to the West. That's why when native Chinese people say the social credit system doesn't exist I call them liars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A Edit: chitowneats, if you don't believe I'm a real person message me on Keybase. We can discuss whatever you'd like. Or just keep believing it's impossible for any real person to have political views that fall outside the boundaries set by NATO propaganda.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - chitowneats 6y ago
        Anyone here with any technical literacy knows that the fact that you have a keybase account, and associated pseudonym, does not prove anything. Edit: Response to the comment below. Being rate limited. The West is past the point of naively believing that the CCP does not have multi-decade information ops being conducted against their governments and citizenry. Also, that was exactly your assertion. What would be the point of bringing up your irrelevant keybase account if it was not an attempt to mislead me and others on this site?
        xtian 6y ago
        That wasn't my assertion, but I could tell you my life story, send you a picture of my neighborhood, etc. I want you to believe, brother. You think the CPC made a HN account to post about jQuery 10 years ago just so they could eventually correct your lukewarm takes on Taiwan? Response to your edit: Is the CPC in the room with you now, chitowneats?
        chitowneats 6y ago
        我们见到你
      - amaccuish 6y ago
        Thank you for your insightful comments and sorry for the hate you receiving by not towing the NATO line!
  - liuliu 6y ago
    Because the people who answer the survey cannot freely express their mind, otherwise another mysterious group of people will start to kill them and their families. Everyone knows CCP controls these assassins through their seat at the High Table. Free tip: you can hide inside the Continental Hotel where these assassins cannot kill you on that ground.
    - f6v 6y ago
      Don’t forget organ harvesting and rape squadrons.
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
They're going to remain in control of the mainland population, by giving them a big patriotic victory. (And by delivering on what they said, over and over, that they were going to do.)
emptysongglass 6y ago
It's about more than the population of Taiwan or the strategic importance of its chips: it means control of the South Chinese Sea. Between the US Navy and Taiwan's alliance, China's broader ambitions for economic and military control of the region are stymied.

by f6v 6y ago

theandrewbailey 6y ago

> Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions? Their citizens on the mainland. The CCP believes that if they don't look good, their days are numbered and revolution will be inevitable.

xtian 6y ago
A survey conducted by the Harvard Kennedy School found that satisfaction with the central government in China rose from 86.1% in 2003 to 93.1% in 2016: https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resil... Is the US government's abysmal approval rating by comparison a sign of our free thinking and freedom, or do you think we'll have a revolution here soon?
- chitowneats 6y ago
  This is laughable. Chinese citizens are required to approve of their government, lest they run afoul of the national social credit system. That the study was conducted by a Western organization is irrelevant. Chinese citizens know that their communications with the West are not private, and perhaps even especially subject to monitoring and intrusion from their government. Edit: I usually don't call out blatant CCP astroturfing on this site. But I want to draw everyone's attention to the video that u/xtian just shared in the comment below. It's clearly Chinese Communist Party propaganda. It's tagged #serpentza and #laowhy86 because those are the two most famous Western streamers who have lived in China for decades. The CCP specifically targets people who watch their videos for counter programming. I'm done interacting with this "person", but will respond to comments from others. Check out serpentza's youtube for the truth about China: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg
  - xtian 6y ago
    Yeah true the only way to know their real interests is to listen to the West. That's why when native Chinese people say the social credit system doesn't exist I call them liars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A Edit: chitowneats, if you don't believe I'm a real person message me on Keybase. We can discuss whatever you'd like. Or just keep believing it's impossible for any real person to have political views that fall outside the boundaries set by NATO propaganda.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - chitowneats 6y ago
      Anyone here with any technical literacy knows that the fact that you have a keybase account, and associated pseudonym, does not prove anything. Edit: Response to the comment below. Being rate limited. The West is past the point of naively believing that the CCP does not have multi-decade information ops being conducted against their governments and citizenry. Also, that was exactly your assertion. What would be the point of bringing up your irrelevant keybase account if it was not an attempt to mislead me and others on this site?
      - xtian 6y ago
        That wasn't my assertion, but I could tell you my life story, send you a picture of my neighborhood, etc. I want you to believe, brother. You think the CPC made a HN account to post about jQuery 10 years ago just so they could eventually correct your lukewarm takes on Taiwan? Response to your edit: Is the CPC in the room with you now, chitowneats?
        chitowneats 6y ago
        我们见到你
    - amaccuish 6y ago
      Thank you for your insightful comments and sorry for the hate you receiving by not towing the NATO line!
- liuliu 6y ago
  Because the people who answer the survey cannot freely express their mind, otherwise another mysterious group of people will start to kill them and their families. Everyone knows CCP controls these assassins through their seat at the High Table. Free tip: you can hide inside the Continental Hotel where these assassins cannot kill you on that ground.
  - f6v 6y ago
    Don’t forget organ harvesting and rape squadrons.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

They're going to remain in control of the mainland population, by giving them a big patriotic victory. (And by delivering on what they said, over and over, that they were going to do.)

emptysongglass 6y ago

It's about more than the population of Taiwan or the strategic importance of its chips: it means control of the South Chinese Sea. Between the US Navy and Taiwan's alliance, China's broader ambitions for economic and military control of the region are stymied.