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This comes across extremely disingenuous. If you read Roku's version of what is being negotiated and then read Google's, then note that Google only discusses t

This comes across extremely disingenuous. If you read Roku's version of what is being negotiated and then read Google's, then note that Google only discusses the popular one (codecs) and seemingly forgets all the ones that make them look bad. I don't consider Roku a "good guy" with all of these disputes, but on this one based on the information we have it seems like Google tried to flex and got rebuffed. They then thought the recent other disputes w/Roku would give them cover, but it hasn't worked too well so far. PS - I do feel like Roku's position on the codec though is a little weak/vague. But Google's lack of statement about the other 90% of the dispute is worse.

CA0DA 6y ago
where can i find "roku's version"?
- Someone1234 6y ago
  Here's an earlier thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26992358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26992358
- g_p 6y ago
  https://www.axios.com/roku-google-youtube-tv-dispute-525316c1-4d66-44e3-a96a-40db7b10e05b.html https://www.axios.com/roku-google-youtube-tv-dispute-525316c... seems to have a copy of their version of events, at least that they communicated to customers.
- evil-olive 6y ago
  This [0] Axios article has a summary. It also includes a screenshot of the actual email Roku sent. Imgur copy of the screenshot at [1]. 0: https://www.axios.com/roku-google-youtube-tv-dispute-525316c1-4d66-44e3-a96a-40db7b10e05b.html https://www.axios.com/roku-google-youtube-tv-dispute-525316c... 1: https://i.imgur.com/4VtDUxI.png https://i.imgur.com/4VtDUxI.png
asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
If Google did indeed offer to continue under the current terms, then I would say that Roku seemingly is the one that is at fault. If Roku is trying to renegotiate other items under different terms, it seems reasonable for Google to be able to ask for things they want as well. For example, if Roku wants a bigger cut of ad revenue, it seems reasonable for Google to come back and ask for silicon supporting AV1 to be installed on future Roku devices. (I have no idea if that is the source of contention, but I'm just saying it seems like reasonable, good faith negotiation.)
deelowe 6y ago
Is Roku's stance weak? My assumption is that some largish contingent of their userbase owns hardware that doesn't support hardware AV1 decoding. What other reason would they have for not honoring this request? Is the implication that Roku is getting kickbacks?
datavirtue 6y ago
This is definitely one sided propaganda on Google's part and reads as a juvenile rant. YouTube is dysfunctional as hell. Roku holds the cards, Google didn't want to play, they bluffed, Roku shrugged. Youtube has an implied duty to their customer to make their service accessible from Roku, a very widely used and preferred streaming aggregator. People are going to keep using thier Roku without a second thought but they might be pissed at Youtube "because it doesn't work on my Roku."

CA0DA 6y ago

where can i find "roku's version"?

Someone1234 6y ago
Here's an earlier thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26992358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26992358
g_p 6y ago
https://www.axios.com/roku-google-youtube-tv-dispute-525316c1-4d66-44e3-a96a-40db7b10e05b.html https://www.axios.com/roku-google-youtube-tv-dispute-525316c... seems to have a copy of their version of events, at least that they communicated to customers.
evil-olive 6y ago
This [0] Axios article has a summary. It also includes a screenshot of the actual email Roku sent. Imgur copy of the screenshot at [1]. 0: https://www.axios.com/roku-google-youtube-tv-dispute-525316c1-4d66-44e3-a96a-40db7b10e05b.html https://www.axios.com/roku-google-youtube-tv-dispute-525316c... 1: https://i.imgur.com/4VtDUxI.png https://i.imgur.com/4VtDUxI.png

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago

If Google did indeed offer to continue under the current terms, then I would say that Roku seemingly is the one that is at fault. If Roku is trying to renegotiate other items under different terms, it seems reasonable for Google to be able to ask for things they want as well. For example, if Roku wants a bigger cut of ad revenue, it seems reasonable for Google to come back and ask for silicon supporting AV1 to be installed on future Roku devices. (I have no idea if that is the source of contention, but I'm just saying it seems like reasonable, good faith negotiation.)

deelowe 6y ago

Is Roku's stance weak? My assumption is that some largish contingent of their userbase owns hardware that doesn't support hardware AV1 decoding. What other reason would they have for not honoring this request? Is the implication that Roku is getting kickbacks?

datavirtue 6y ago

This is definitely one sided propaganda on Google's part and reads as a juvenile rant. YouTube is dysfunctional as hell. Roku holds the cards, Google didn't want to play, they bluffed, Roku shrugged. Youtube has an implied duty to their customer to make their service accessible from Roku, a very widely used and preferred streaming aggregator. People are going to keep using thier Roku without a second thought but they might be pissed at Youtube "because it doesn't work on my Roku."