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There is no better place to see this than Cleveland. Especially because it's all starting to bite them in the behind. People in the suburbs depend on the main c
by xxpor 15y ago
There is no better place to see this than Cleveland. Especially because it's all starting to bite them in the behind. People in the suburbs depend on the main city to be the heart of the region. But, almost everyone with a family who possibly could has moved out to the suburbs, even ones that are only marginally better (Warrensville Heights, North Randell). This has caused a HUGE loss of tax base, even larger than the numbers would suggest (Cleveland has 50% of the population it did in 1960), because the populace is significantly poorer.
Now, there are water mains breaking all the time, gas lines that are leaking, the roads that are down to the brick under layer that they were built on, many, many abandoned buildings that are a concentrator of crime and cost. For example, a former clothing factory on E 55th caught fire this past week. It's been abandoned since 1992, so the city hasn't gotten any tax from it since then. Crime is really bad, especially on the east side.
People in the suburbs resent giving the city any money, because everyone in the city to them is stupid and lazy, and their taxes are really high already. And now the people are starting to move even farther out to Medina, Geauga and Lorain counties, and complain the taxes are even higher. It's ridiculous. Unfortunately, I really don't see this changing anytime soon, due to the way schools are funded though local property taxes.
- knowtheory 15y agoWhy would Cleveland be the best place to see this? Wouldn't Detroit be better? Detroit has already collapsed, and is well into a long contractionary period. Local government (sans Kwame) have basically said "well we gotta get used to a smaller tax base and scale back". Oh, and i absolutely agree on Ohio's school system being totally batshit (Michigan's too). The fact that state funding for the Ohio public schools was declared unconstitutional by the state supreme court, and then the state government just simply did nothing is a fucking outrage. To this day, nothing has been done to fix the fundamental injustices of Ohio's schools (rich suburbs can afford rich public schools, and poor towns get nothing. Not even intact school buildings).
- xxpor 15y agoYou're right Detroit might be better. I'm just more familiar with Cleveland, and was using it more as a figure of speech. And too be fair, Cleveland is collapsing almost as fast as Detroit, save for Downtown, Tremont, and the Gordon Sq. area. Edit: And possibly UC, but that's still debatable. It's certainly not falling as fast as the surrounding neighborhoods, that's for sure. But there are also 5+ police departments patrolling to try and keep the riff raff out.
- knowtheory 15y agoYeah, i don't mean to detract from your point. Cleveland has problems, and it needs to find a way to jump start some development.
- dennisgorelik 15y agoCould you clarify who exactly was bitten in the behind? It looks like suburbs are doing just fine and only inner city collapses.
- danssig 15y agoWhat will the 'burbs be with no city? A bunch of housing for unemployed people?
- dennisgorelik 15y agoOffices are moving to suburbs as well. I always wondered why would people want to work in downtown. Some people also work from home.
- xxpor 15y agoEasy rapid access? High density, so better perks, like the food trucks. Lots of things. Just don't get caught in a snowstorm.
- dennisgorelik 15y ago"Easy rapid access" to what? If you live and work in suburb it's truly easy access with 5-10 minutes drive in low traffic. If you work in downtown most of the time it's 20+ minutes brutal commute. Aren't benefits of "food trucks" unavailable in suburbs?