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Which international law would China be violating by invading Taiwan?

by Leary 5y ago

randomopining 5y ago
Taiwan fits all criteria under international law for a country. Plus CCP would kill hundreds of thousands or millions during a forceful invasion of Taiwan. Laws always have loopholes. It's clear that the CCP would be doing something evil by attacking a peaceful island nation. They want control.
- f6v 5y ago
  > Plus CCP would kill hundreds of thousands or millions during a forceful invasion of Taiwan. > They want control. Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions? I mean, why do they even have to start a military offensive when they can eventually outcompete Taiwan? Just think how many top-rated universities China has.
  - theandrewbailey 5y ago
    > Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions? Their citizens on the mainland. The CCP believes that if they don't look good, their days are numbered and revolution will be inevitable.
    - xtian 5y ago
      A survey conducted by the Harvard Kennedy School found that satisfaction with the central government in China rose from 86.1% in 2003 to 93.1% in 2016: https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resil... Is the US government's abysmal approval rating by comparison a sign of our free thinking and freedom, or do you think we'll have a revolution here soon?
      - chitowneats 5y ago
        This is laughable. Chinese citizens are required to approve of their government, lest they run afoul of the national social credit system. That the study was conducted by a Western organization is irrelevant. Chinese citizens know that their communications with the West are not private, and perhaps even especially subject to monitoring and intrusion from their government. Edit: I usually don't call out blatant CCP astroturfing on this site. But I want to draw everyone's attention to the video that u/xtian just shared in the comment below. It's clearly Chinese Communist Party propaganda. It's tagged #serpentza and #laowhy86 because those are the two most famous Western streamers who have lived in China for decades. The CCP specifically targets people who watch their videos for counter programming. I'm done interacting with this "person", but will respond to comments from others. Check out serpentza's youtube for the truth about China: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg
        xtian 5y ago
        Yeah true the only way to know their real interests is to listen to the West. That's why when native Chinese people say the social credit system doesn't exist I call them liars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A Edit: chitowneats, if you don't believe I'm a real person message me on Keybase. We can discuss whatever you'd like. Or just keep believing it's impossible for any real person to have political views that fall outside the boundaries set by NATO propaganda.
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        chitowneats 5y ago
        Anyone here with any technical literacy knows that the fact that you have a keybase account, and associated pseudonym, does not prove anything. Edit: Response to the comment below. Being rate limited. The West is past the point of naively believing that the CCP does not have multi-decade information ops being conducted against their governments and citizenry. Also, that was exactly your assertion. What would be the point of bringing up your irrelevant keybase account if it was not an attempt to mislead me and others on this site?
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    They're going to remain in control of the mainland population, by giving them a big patriotic victory. (And by delivering on what they said, over and over, that they were going to do.)
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    It's about more than the population of Taiwan or the strategic importance of its chips: it means control of the South Chinese Sea. Between the US Navy and Taiwan's alliance, China's broader ambitions for economic and military control of the region are stymied.
- luckylion 5y ago
  > Taiwan fits all criteria under international law for a country. Taiwan claims that they're not separate from China. Their disagreement is over who should be in charge, not whether they're the same country currently engaged in a power struggle between regions.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    Sure, they claim that. Try traveling from one to the other (either direction) without crossing border control. Or, try to find the common point of authority in the command structures of their respective militaries. They're two countries, no matter what they say they are.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      You're confusing two things. The context of the discussion was International Law. You're talking about practical reality which is almost orthogonal to international law.
  - randomopining 5y ago
    Yeah because if they claimed they were separate they would cross the CCP's "red line". The Taiwan populace doesn't want to take over the mainland. There's literally no way you can spin this that makes sense besides the CCP wants control of a physical island to push out the US/Japan.
- 8note 5y ago
  It's not peaceful to play host aggressive armies and navies.
throwaway5752 5y ago
That would be https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-7 https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-7 if I'm not mistaken. It is neither authorized or self-defense.

Which international law would China be violating by invading Taiwan?

by Leary 5y ago

Which international law would China be violating by invading Taiwan?

Taiwan fits all criteria under international law for a country. Plus CCP would kill hundreds of thousands or millions during a forceful invasion of Taiwan. Laws always have loopholes. It's clear that the CCP would be doing something evil by attacking a peaceful island nation. They want control.

f6v 5y ago
> Plus CCP would kill hundreds of thousands or millions during a forceful invasion of Taiwan. > They want control. Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions? I mean, why do they even have to start a military offensive when they can eventually outcompete Taiwan? Just think how many top-rated universities China has.
- theandrewbailey 5y ago
  > Does not add up. Who're they going to control if they kill millions? Their citizens on the mainland. The CCP believes that if they don't look good, their days are numbered and revolution will be inevitable.
  - xtian 5y ago
    A survey conducted by the Harvard Kennedy School found that satisfaction with the central government in China rose from 86.1% in 2003 to 93.1% in 2016: https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resil... Is the US government's abysmal approval rating by comparison a sign of our free thinking and freedom, or do you think we'll have a revolution here soon?
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      This is laughable. Chinese citizens are required to approve of their government, lest they run afoul of the national social credit system. That the study was conducted by a Western organization is irrelevant. Chinese citizens know that their communications with the West are not private, and perhaps even especially subject to monitoring and intrusion from their government. Edit: I usually don't call out blatant CCP astroturfing on this site. But I want to draw everyone's attention to the video that u/xtian just shared in the comment below. It's clearly Chinese Communist Party propaganda. It's tagged #serpentza and #laowhy86 because those are the two most famous Western streamers who have lived in China for decades. The CCP specifically targets people who watch their videos for counter programming. I'm done interacting with this "person", but will respond to comments from others. Check out serpentza's youtube for the truth about China: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg
      - xtian 5y ago
        Yeah true the only way to know their real interests is to listen to the West. That's why when native Chinese people say the social credit system doesn't exist I call them liars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaPvnGhbj9A Edit: chitowneats, if you don't believe I'm a real person message me on Keybase. We can discuss whatever you'd like. Or just keep believing it's impossible for any real person to have political views that fall outside the boundaries set by NATO propaganda.
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        chitowneats 5y ago
        Anyone here with any technical literacy knows that the fact that you have a keybase account, and associated pseudonym, does not prove anything. Edit: Response to the comment below. Being rate limited. The West is past the point of naively believing that the CCP does not have multi-decade information ops being conducted against their governments and citizenry. Also, that was exactly your assertion. What would be the point of bringing up your irrelevant keybase account if it was not an attempt to mislead me and others on this site?
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  They're going to remain in control of the mainland population, by giving them a big patriotic victory. (And by delivering on what they said, over and over, that they were going to do.)
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  It's about more than the population of Taiwan or the strategic importance of its chips: it means control of the South Chinese Sea. Between the US Navy and Taiwan's alliance, China's broader ambitions for economic and military control of the region are stymied.
luckylion 5y ago
> Taiwan fits all criteria under international law for a country. Taiwan claims that they're not separate from China. Their disagreement is over who should be in charge, not whether they're the same country currently engaged in a power struggle between regions.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  Sure, they claim that. Try traveling from one to the other (either direction) without crossing border control. Or, try to find the common point of authority in the command structures of their respective militaries. They're two countries, no matter what they say they are.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    You're confusing two things. The context of the discussion was International Law. You're talking about practical reality which is almost orthogonal to international law.
- randomopining 5y ago
  Yeah because if they claimed they were separate they would cross the CCP's "red line". The Taiwan populace doesn't want to take over the mainland. There's literally no way you can spin this that makes sense besides the CCP wants control of a physical island to push out the US/Japan.
8note 5y ago
It's not peaceful to play host aggressive armies and navies.

throwaway5752 5y ago

That would be https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-7 https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-7 if I'm not mistaken. It is neither authorized or self-defense.