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Somehow, I imagine you aren't in Portland or haven't spent a lot of time downtown. You are regurgitating right talking points.

decremental 5y ago
It's not exactly a secret what's going on there. While I doubt the place is on fire 24/7, the substantial damage sustained to local businesses cannot be denied. It would be difficult to convince someone who was thinking critically about moving their business there that all is well now and going forward.
- smolder 5y ago
  It's not a secret that the majority of the country has been dragged down into believing political fiction of some sort or another as fact by the relentless partisan propaganda. I'm sure many more people on the right were whipped into anger by the supposed $23 million in protest related losses than will ever read this: https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/coronavirus-closures-inflated-23-million-reported-in-downtown-portland-protest-damages.html https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/coronavirus-clos...
  - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
    You’re an example of the boiling frog if you think it’s perfectly normal and acceptable to light the mayor’s condo lobby on fire and riot over 100 days in a row. This has nothing to do with propaganda.
    - smolder 5y ago
      I didn't say that was acceptable and don't believe it is.
jacob2484 5y ago
Even the mayor of Portland (who originally praised the protests) is asking the public to help stop the folks doing violence. How is this a right talking point? Are you ignoring reality?
- smolder 5y ago
  Any amount of violence is too much, and just deligitimizes the protests and gives fodder to political commentators who aim to do so. Of course you would ask your people to help keep the peace. It doesn't mean it was so out of control as depicted in right wing news, which it wasn't.
  - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
    I can assure you that nobody in this conversation got their information from right wing news.
- loeg 5y ago
  > the mayor of Portland (who originally praised the protests) This is counterfactual. Wheeler's been against the protests, and actively the subject of protest pretty much the whole time. He did a single media stunt participating in the protests and that's pretty much it. It was not well-received: > On July 22, Wheeler addressed nightly protesters, but was booed by them for his actions as Portland Police Commissioner and the Portland Police's own response to the protests. The crowd chanted "Fuck Ted Wheeler" and "Quit Your Job" as he spoke. His nickname is "Tear Gas Teddy," and it's not for being on the receiving end of the gas.
lawnchair_larry 5y ago
A lot of progressives seem to share this delusion and I find it puzzling. I have no idea who started this meme that there are “right talking points” going around about Portland. If such a thing exists, I have no idea what it is or where it comes from. Rest assured, my talking points are completely original and synthesized by my own senses. I’m in Portland quite frequently and was there earlier this month. I have many good friends there as well. I’d offer you some video footage that I took personally, but there is no shortage of it online. Ted Wheeler has even (finally) acknowledged it. The city is an embarrassment, and has gone to shit in the last 5 years.
- whydoibother 5y ago
  Go ahead and post your video. Show us what horrible things you saw anteefa do.
- Frondo 5y ago
  Frankly, unless you've been doing a somewhat systematic survey of "businesses that have been boarded up" and "businesses that continue to operate as normal" and are doing so across the city (and not the very small part of the city where the protests have been taking place), this seems like an ideal situation to point out that the plural of anecdote is not data.
  - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
    I’m talking about the riots and antifa/anarchist attacks, not the protests. And it doesn’t matter that there are places that are not being attacked and vandalized. This is of little consolation to the business that are suffering from regular criminal behavior.

decremental 5y ago

It's not exactly a secret what's going on there. While I doubt the place is on fire 24/7, the substantial damage sustained to local businesses cannot be denied. It would be difficult to convince someone who was thinking critically about moving their business there that all is well now and going forward.

smolder 5y ago
It's not a secret that the majority of the country has been dragged down into believing political fiction of some sort or another as fact by the relentless partisan propaganda. I'm sure many more people on the right were whipped into anger by the supposed $23 million in protest related losses than will ever read this: https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/coronavirus-closures-inflated-23-million-reported-in-downtown-portland-protest-damages.html https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/coronavirus-clos...
- lawnchair_larry 5y ago
  You’re an example of the boiling frog if you think it’s perfectly normal and acceptable to light the mayor’s condo lobby on fire and riot over 100 days in a row. This has nothing to do with propaganda.
  - smolder 5y ago
    I didn't say that was acceptable and don't believe it is.

jacob2484 5y ago

Even the mayor of Portland (who originally praised the protests) is asking the public to help stop the folks doing violence. How is this a right talking point? Are you ignoring reality?

smolder 5y ago
Any amount of violence is too much, and just deligitimizes the protests and gives fodder to political commentators who aim to do so. Of course you would ask your people to help keep the peace. It doesn't mean it was so out of control as depicted in right wing news, which it wasn't.
- lawnchair_larry 5y ago
  I can assure you that nobody in this conversation got their information from right wing news.
loeg 5y ago
> the mayor of Portland (who originally praised the protests) This is counterfactual. Wheeler's been against the protests, and actively the subject of protest pretty much the whole time. He did a single media stunt participating in the protests and that's pretty much it. It was not well-received: > On July 22, Wheeler addressed nightly protesters, but was booed by them for his actions as Portland Police Commissioner and the Portland Police's own response to the protests. The crowd chanted "Fuck Ted Wheeler" and "Quit Your Job" as he spoke. His nickname is "Tear Gas Teddy," and it's not for being on the receiving end of the gas.

lawnchair_larry 5y ago

A lot of progressives seem to share this delusion and I find it puzzling. I have no idea who started this meme that there are “right talking points” going around about Portland. If such a thing exists, I have no idea what it is or where it comes from. Rest assured, my talking points are completely original and synthesized by my own senses. I’m in Portland quite frequently and was there earlier this month. I have many good friends there as well. I’d offer you some video footage that I took personally, but there is no shortage of it online. Ted Wheeler has even (finally) acknowledged it. The city is an embarrassment, and has gone to shit in the last 5 years.

whydoibother 5y ago
Go ahead and post your video. Show us what horrible things you saw anteefa do.
Frondo 5y ago
Frankly, unless you've been doing a somewhat systematic survey of "businesses that have been boarded up" and "businesses that continue to operate as normal" and are doing so across the city (and not the very small part of the city where the protests have been taking place), this seems like an ideal situation to point out that the plural of anecdote is not data.
- lawnchair_larry 5y ago
  I’m talking about the riots and antifa/anarchist attacks, not the protests. And it doesn’t matter that there are places that are not being attacked and vandalized. This is of little consolation to the business that are suffering from regular criminal behavior.