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Apple loses the ability to collectively bargain on behalf of users. Without being overly smug here: Good. Apple have been terrible stewards of the platform. A

Apple loses the ability to collectively bargain on behalf of users. Without being overly smug here: Good. Apple have been terrible stewards of the platform. Arguably better than Google, but that's a bar so low a deep-bore drilling machine couldn't clear it. The app store is overrun with scams, the approval process is nonobjective and unreliable, and prohibits entire classes of useful software on shaky moralizing grounds. I don't want Apple to bargain on my behalf. I want apple to fuck off, get out of my way, and stop telling me what I can run on my hardware. If you don't like iPhone and Apple so much why not just not use the products? If Apple doesn't like the EU's rules why not just stop doing business there?

ericmay 6y ago
> If Apple doesn't like the EU's rules why not just stop doing business there? What rules? These are proposals for rules, and also lawsuits. There are arguments that have merit on both sides. But yea sure, if it was me and I were Tim Cook and had unlimited authority and the E.U. made Apple open up to 3rd party App Stores I'd pull the iPhone from Europe. Bad business decision most likely, but principled at least. Instead they're likely going to just do something else about it. There's always work arounds. Closing off APIs, charging gargantuan fees to be listed on the App Store for big players like Spotify, etc. There are plenty of companies chomping at the bit to get on the App Store top lists and happy to pay a fee to do so. > don't want Apple to bargain on my behalf. I want apple to fuck off, get out of my way, and stop telling me what I can run on my hardware. I think Apple platforms aren't for you then. They're highly opinionated and always have been. > The app store is overrun with scams, the approval process is nonobjective and unreliable, and prohibits entire classes of useful software on shaky moralizing grounds. So the solution is third party app stores that are even worse?
- simion314 6y ago
  >Bad business decision most likely, but principled at least. Are you trolling? Apple and principles ? They are giving Chinese customers information to the government and do bussiness with Saudi Arabia that would execute all those gay Apple executives if they could, are this principles??? Or you mean "Ferengi principles"
  - ericmay 6y ago
    I said it’s what I would do and that what I would do would be out of principle. Not what Apple will do. The E.U. Happily bows down to China all the time so if you really want to do this whole anti-China thing everybody is happily playing in the mud - Apple, and the E.U. .

ericmay 6y ago

> If Apple doesn't like the EU's rules why not just stop doing business there? What rules? These are proposals for rules, and also lawsuits. There are arguments that have merit on both sides. But yea sure, if it was me and I were Tim Cook and had unlimited authority and the E.U. made Apple open up to 3rd party App Stores I'd pull the iPhone from Europe. Bad business decision most likely, but principled at least. Instead they're likely going to just do something else about it. There's always work arounds. Closing off APIs, charging gargantuan fees to be listed on the App Store for big players like Spotify, etc. There are plenty of companies chomping at the bit to get on the App Store top lists and happy to pay a fee to do so. > don't want Apple to bargain on my behalf. I want apple to fuck off, get out of my way, and stop telling me what I can run on my hardware. I think Apple platforms aren't for you then. They're highly opinionated and always have been. > The app store is overrun with scams, the approval process is nonobjective and unreliable, and prohibits entire classes of useful software on shaky moralizing grounds. So the solution is third party app stores that are even worse?

simion314 6y ago
>Bad business decision most likely, but principled at least. Are you trolling? Apple and principles ? They are giving Chinese customers information to the government and do bussiness with Saudi Arabia that would execute all those gay Apple executives if they could, are this principles??? Or you mean "Ferengi principles"
- ericmay 6y ago
  I said it’s what I would do and that what I would do would be out of principle. Not what Apple will do. The E.U. Happily bows down to China all the time so if you really want to do this whole anti-China thing everybody is happily playing in the mud - Apple, and the E.U. .