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Maybe one of these days the pro-labor left and the pro-labor right are gonna figure it out, stop taking the bait, and we'll finally get a real revolution.
by recursivedoubts 6y ago
Maybe one of these days the pro-labor left and the pro-labor right are gonna figure it out, stop taking the bait, and we'll finally get a real revolution.
- mc32 6y agoEveryone knows how to make a revolution. The hard work is the day after the revolution. The same problems will exist. They don’t magically go away.
- medium_burrito 6y agoAlso what are they gonna revolt about? Immigration and automation I can definitely see, but there's nobody but the Yang stumping about this. And then you have the question of what happens when the A and C arks leave for Mars?
- cratermoon 6y ago> pro-labor right Such a thing does not exist.
- kokanator 6y agoGreed permeates all parties as it is a human characteristic. The point is to create an environment that encourages strong businesses and discourages greed. Left or Right. Are you talking right business owners or politicians. If you answer both, how many conservative business owners do you actually know? I know a number of them and they have thriving businesses with well compensated and well covered employees that have worked for their businesses for decades.
- paulpauper 6y agohow about socially conservative union workers, for example.
- cratermoon 6y agoBy "socially conservative" do you mean opposed to reproductive choice, anti-immigration, opposed to LGBTQ+ rights, opposed to affirmative action, and those kinds of wedge issues? Kind of the the inverse of libertarian "economically conservative, socially liberal"? I wonder how much those issues would fade from their consciousness if they weren't constantly fed the lie that their precarious economic status is the fault of immigrants, the cost of social welfare programs, the "gay agenda", the "great replacement" theory, and so forth.
- recursivedoubts 6y agoRight, so a pro-labor right does exist, you just don't like a lot of their other opinions on wedge issues. Well, guess what? The corporations are run by some pretty smart sociopaths, and they have figured that out and are happy to keep you fighting with those hated right-wingers over the wedge issues, rather than working with them to improve labor conditions in the US. It's OK. The corporations are really good at feeding lies to folks. Heck, they might even be feeding some lies to you. Maybe you even believe some of those lies. Like, for example, there is no such thing as a right wing pro-labor movement. Worth thinking about.
- recursivedoubts 6y agolol perfect
- kokanator 6y agoRevolution is NOT the answer. Think a bit harder on the problem than to simply cry revolution. Swaths of people die, families are destroyed, the economy is destroyed, the nation becomes vulnerable ( if you still have a nation ). You will have to deal with the problems you created before you ever get the opportunity to work on what you were originally revolting about.
- paulpauper 6y agoWhat about the American Revolution (not that this would work, but some revolutions do work)
- kokanator 6y agoI didn't say they don't work. However, most do fail. My point was they come with an extreme cost and in this case you may never get to the resolution you are seeking. Alternative means are much much more likely to be successful.