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Yes but it means nothing if consumers are not buying the hardware with Linux. The average consumer is not going to put Linux on their computer if it’s not as si

Yes but it means nothing if consumers are not buying the hardware with Linux. The average consumer is not going to put Linux on their computer if it’s not as simple as downloading a browser or upgrading an operating system.

fsflover 6y ago
There are practically no stores which sell hardware with Linux.
- eitland 6y ago
  That doesn't prevent it from becoming so mainstream at work that even one salesman(!) at work used it. Yes you have to jump through hoops and not everyone in IT is extremely happy always but even some of them prefer it. To me it feels kind of like when Mac broke through in developer circles. First it was weird and IT department laughed. Then more and more people including bosses demanded it and here we are: if a job demands all devs use Windows many devs will go somewhere else.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    > That doesn't prevent it from becoming so mainstream at work I would say that it does. If your boss is not aware of this system, they will not allow to use it or consider secure. At work, I am typically not allowed to freely choose my OS.
    - eitland 6y ago
      You misunderstood me. The point is it is already happening: Linux is already so mainstream at work that I've seen a sales guy(!) using Ubuntu. And I see people sharing screen on Teams and it is Linux!
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      - maxwell 6y ago
        Yeah, the majority of phones and servers run Linux. It's "mainstream infrastructure" instead of a consumer brand, but not out of the ordinary for consumers or businesses.
maxwell 6y ago
Consumers will go where the apps are: if developers increasingly exit the Apple and Google ecosystems, which seem beset with nearly daily anti-developer actions, the only other option is Linux app development for mobile. The hardware is ready, cheap, and good enough. "Average consumers" are becoming increasingly technically sophisticated as demographics shift, and of course the two leading mobile OSs are already Unix-based. While they're not marketed as "*nix" to end users, they absolutely were marketed as such to developers.
- joseluisq 6y ago
  Agree. Probably no so related but your comment remembered me some friends sentence, something like: "end-users don't mind about the technical aspects they just want something that works". This is an ad-hoc claim and not necessarily true, I know. But turns out that this sentence is trivial nowadays with this such of big impact of technology in people's lives. So users are not foolish, they are every day more aware about software in general. They know what they want and can give you the value that your software deserves so just let's start to tell them more about Linux.
m4rtink 6y ago
Oh customers are definitely buying hardware with Linux. The problem is its in the form of insecure yet often locked down Android phones loaded with addware spying on them. :P

fsflover 6y ago

There are practically no stores which sell hardware with Linux.

eitland 6y ago
That doesn't prevent it from becoming so mainstream at work that even one salesman(!) at work used it. Yes you have to jump through hoops and not everyone in IT is extremely happy always but even some of them prefer it. To me it feels kind of like when Mac broke through in developer circles. First it was weird and IT department laughed. Then more and more people including bosses demanded it and here we are: if a job demands all devs use Windows many devs will go somewhere else.
- fsflover 6y ago
  > That doesn't prevent it from becoming so mainstream at work I would say that it does. If your boss is not aware of this system, they will not allow to use it or consider secure. At work, I am typically not allowed to freely choose my OS.
  - eitland 6y ago
    You misunderstood me. The point is it is already happening: Linux is already so mainstream at work that I've seen a sales guy(!) using Ubuntu. And I see people sharing screen on Teams and it is Linux!
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    - maxwell 6y ago
      Yeah, the majority of phones and servers run Linux. It's "mainstream infrastructure" instead of a consumer brand, but not out of the ordinary for consumers or businesses.

maxwell 6y ago

Consumers will go where the apps are: if developers increasingly exit the Apple and Google ecosystems, which seem beset with nearly daily anti-developer actions, the only other option is Linux app development for mobile. The hardware is ready, cheap, and good enough. "Average consumers" are becoming increasingly technically sophisticated as demographics shift, and of course the two leading mobile OSs are already Unix-based. While they're not marketed as "*nix" to end users, they absolutely were marketed as such to developers.

joseluisq 6y ago
Agree. Probably no so related but your comment remembered me some friends sentence, something like: "end-users don't mind about the technical aspects they just want something that works". This is an ad-hoc claim and not necessarily true, I know. But turns out that this sentence is trivial nowadays with this such of big impact of technology in people's lives. So users are not foolish, they are every day more aware about software in general. They know what they want and can give you the value that your software deserves so just let's start to tell them more about Linux.

m4rtink 6y ago

Oh customers are definitely buying hardware with Linux. The problem is its in the form of insecure yet often locked down Android phones loaded with addware spying on them. :P