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This really highlights to me how important the web is, and how close we can be to losing it all. You simply can't pull shit like this on the web (and I'm talki

This really highlights to me how important the web is, and how close we can be to losing it all. You simply can't pull shit like this on the web (and I'm talking about both Roku and Google here, as well as all the crap Amazon has pulled before now). It's an open platform and it's one of the only places you can access all streaming services (I think?). But the web was never able or allowed to adapt to TV set-top boxes (if I recall Mozilla made a TV stick but like Firefox OS it went nowhere). It's a real shame.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
> It's an open platform and it's one of the only places you can access all streaming services (I think?). Yes and no. Yes, they all seem to be available, but not entirely as DRM implementations have varying support across browsers and platforms which currently just limits your access to HD content but could in theory limit you entirely.
whoknowswhat11 6y ago
Key point - roku is the gatekeeper here- I do think cable companies squeezed Netflix a bit
- mattmcknight 6y ago
  They are both gatekeepers. YouTubeTV is demanding preferential treatment in the search results.
  - whoknowswhat11 6y ago
    Where is this coming from - google is focused on pushing their codec
varispeed 6y ago
It is already too late. The EU just passed TERREG yesterday without a vote that requires anyone running a website with user generated content (a blog with comments, a forum etc.) and if they have significant EU user base to establish legal presence in the EU and have an officer responsible for deleting content with 1 hr SLA. That's out of reach for most of people. You cannot even block your site for EU traffic, because EU users can use VPN. Have a read: https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content-regulation-and-what-it-means-for-uk-hosting-providers https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content...
- earthboundkid 6y ago
  I do not believe that the Biden administration will extradite me to Brussels for failing to moderate my blog comments. EU can make whatever rules they want. It's only enforceable if you do business in Europe.
  - theptip 6y ago
    To be clear though, if you are playing this game you can never visit or transit through the EU either.
    - filoleg 6y ago
      Is it really the case if the user isn't conducting business in EU with their website? Genuine question, because I thought that this was only a requirement if you are trying to conduct business with EU. But if you are only running your website for fun, for example, and aren't making any money off of it at all, would you still be in trouble for not following those EU guidelines (as a US resident)?
      - theptip 6y ago
        From the original article, > Offering services within the EU Hosting service providers are covered by the Regulation if they "offer services within the EU". > The main repercussion of this is extraterritoriality: that providers established outside the EU can still be in scope of the Regulation. And "hosting services" seems to include running a blog with comments, not the narrow technical definition we'd be familiar with. So a cursory read suggests that yes, a personal blog would be theoretically targetable. FWIW, it seems unlikely that they are actually going to go after personal blog operators, and that the intent here is really to get sites like FB / Reddit / Parler that are based outside of the EU, but that show content to users inside the EU. But I'm not seeing anything that actually prevents them from pointing this weapon at the little guys. (Not an expert in this area so please let me know if I'm thinking about this wrong).
- afavour 6y ago
earthboundkid 6y ago
> This really highlights to me how important the web is, and how close we can be to losing it all. The web is dominated by YouTube to an absurd degree, which is the root of the problem. Look, I love the web. The web is awesome. But it's not a self-correcting mechanism. It's possible to build monopolies on the web, and once that happens, it screws over everyone and makes things move in a closed, proprietary direction. You can see examples of this everywhere.
twobitshifter 6y ago
Except the web experience is now being handicapped to not provide full resolution content.
- dannyw 6y ago
  Good thing there's always sailing the high seas of piracy.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

> It's an open platform and it's one of the only places you can access all streaming services (I think?). Yes and no. Yes, they all seem to be available, but not entirely as DRM implementations have varying support across browsers and platforms which currently just limits your access to HD content but could in theory limit you entirely.

whoknowswhat11 6y ago

Key point - roku is the gatekeeper here- I do think cable companies squeezed Netflix a bit

mattmcknight 6y ago
They are both gatekeepers. YouTubeTV is demanding preferential treatment in the search results.
- whoknowswhat11 6y ago
  Where is this coming from - google is focused on pushing their codec

varispeed 6y ago

It is already too late. The EU just passed TERREG yesterday without a vote that requires anyone running a website with user generated content (a blog with comments, a forum etc.) and if they have significant EU user base to establish legal presence in the EU and have an officer responsible for deleting content with 1 hr SLA. That's out of reach for most of people. You cannot even block your site for EU traffic, because EU users can use VPN. Have a read: https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content-regulation-and-what-it-means-for-uk-hosting-providers https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content...

earthboundkid 6y ago
I do not believe that the Biden administration will extradite me to Brussels for failing to moderate my blog comments. EU can make whatever rules they want. It's only enforceable if you do business in Europe.
- theptip 6y ago
  To be clear though, if you are playing this game you can never visit or transit through the EU either.
  - filoleg 6y ago
    Is it really the case if the user isn't conducting business in EU with their website? Genuine question, because I thought that this was only a requirement if you are trying to conduct business with EU. But if you are only running your website for fun, for example, and aren't making any money off of it at all, would you still be in trouble for not following those EU guidelines (as a US resident)?
    - theptip 6y ago
      From the original article, > Offering services within the EU Hosting service providers are covered by the Regulation if they "offer services within the EU". > The main repercussion of this is extraterritoriality: that providers established outside the EU can still be in scope of the Regulation. And "hosting services" seems to include running a blog with comments, not the narrow technical definition we'd be familiar with. So a cursory read suggests that yes, a personal blog would be theoretically targetable. FWIW, it seems unlikely that they are actually going to go after personal blog operators, and that the intent here is really to get sites like FB / Reddit / Parler that are based outside of the EU, but that show content to users inside the EU. But I'm not seeing anything that actually prevents them from pointing this weapon at the little guys. (Not an expert in this area so please let me know if I'm thinking about this wrong).
afavour 6y ago

earthboundkid 6y ago

> This really highlights to me how important the web is, and how close we can be to losing it all. The web is dominated by YouTube to an absurd degree, which is the root of the problem. Look, I love the web. The web is awesome. But it's not a self-correcting mechanism. It's possible to build monopolies on the web, and once that happens, it screws over everyone and makes things move in a closed, proprietary direction. You can see examples of this everywhere.

twobitshifter 6y ago

Except the web experience is now being handicapped to not provide full resolution content.

dannyw 6y ago
Good thing there's always sailing the high seas of piracy.