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This is FUD. iOS will have the sandbox, if some shitty app ask "Do you want me to open the microphone now?" the user can still say NO, if the app asks "Please

This is FUD. iOS will have the sandbox, if some shitty app ask "Do you want me to open the microphone now?" the user can still say NO, if the app asks "Please give me access to location!" the user can still say No, or Apple could even be clever and offer the user the ability to give fake location data, From your point of view iOS users are so stupid that they shold not be allowed to use a OSX device or a browser(not sure if you know but browsers ahve access to camera, , location if the user allows it so go unsintall your browser (I think you don't have the freedom to remove it , sorry for you)).

ericmay 6y ago
Idk what FUD means. But long story short, I like things as they are and don't want them to change. If developers don't like that they can kick rocks. I'd rather have no apps and no App Store than to see things change, frankly. > From your point of view iOS users are so stupid that they No.. that's not my point of view or relevant at all to anything I wrote. > shold not be allowed to use a OSX device or a browser Well, judging by all the requests I get to fix things on computers versus iPhones... > not sure if you know but browsers ahve access to camera Yes you have to give the browser permission.
- simion314 6y ago
  FUD = fear , uncertainty and doubt. >But long story short, I like things as they are and don't want them to change. If developers don't like that they can kick rocks. I'd rather have no apps and no App Store than to see things change, frankly. Who would force you to change? you could buy the US iPhone version with the diamond handcuffs. >Well, judging by all the requests I get to fix things on computers versus iPhones... Then good job to Apple PR and fanboys, the stories about Apple malware and viruses were burried very deep. >Yes you have to give the browser permission. So why this model will not work if you sideload an app? Do you need genius to check the menus of the app so you feel secure?
  - ericmay 6y ago
    > Who would force you to change? you could buy the US iPhone version with the diamond handcuffs. I'm not sure how up to speed you are with the current state of the discussion around this topic, but the gist of it is that if you make changes to the App Store, then Apple's work with respect to privacy, security, etc. go out the window because major apps that want to abuse these things will move to third party app stores. Apple loses the ability to collectively bargain on behalf of users. So, making the change almost surely will result in "forcing me to change". Maybe it won't, but I don't see a point in running that experiment. > Then good job to Apple PR and fanboys, the stories about Apple malware and viruses were burried very deep. Yea maybe they are. My own experience - nobody has ever had a problem with their iPhone. But PCs or even Macs? Yea I've had to do work. Almost always it's downloading and installing some thing they shouldn't have. > So why this model will not work if you sideload an app? Do you need genius to check the menus of the app so you feel secure? If you don't like iPhone and Apple so much why not just not use the products? I don't get this desire to change things that other people are quite happy with.
    - simion314 6y ago
      >If you don't like iPhone and Apple so much why not just not use the products? I don't get this desire to change things that other people are quite happy with. If Apple does not like EU rules for fair competition, warranties and repaiar Apple should not do bussiness there instead of breaking the laws. People complaining about bad keyboards, bad video cards, bad batteries and even lawsuits forced Apple to not screw the users and recall bad products or offer free repair. If you like being screwed be my guest and do not use those limited"recall/repair" programs that complainers obtained (remember when Apple ass kissers would accuse people they put food int he keyboard because Apple is perfect) Btw you have the option to buy an US version of iOS device, with the US version of the store, and never would change. you can;t say that FB will ask US people to buy an EU version of the phone so for sure on that US version Apple can continue protecting you.
    - Karunamon 6y ago
      Apple loses the ability to collectively bargain on behalf of users. Without being overly smug here: Good. Apple have been terrible stewards of the platform. Arguably better than Google, but that's a bar so low a deep-bore drilling machine couldn't clear it. The app store is overrun with scams, the approval process is nonobjective and unreliable, and prohibits entire classes of useful software on shaky moralizing grounds. I don't want Apple to bargain on my behalf. I want apple to fuck off, get out of my way, and stop telling me what I can run on my hardware. If you don't like iPhone and Apple so much why not just not use the products? If Apple doesn't like the EU's rules why not just stop doing business there?
fouric 6y ago
> iOS will have the sandbox THIS. Permissions must be enforced at the operating system level. Apple, Google, and others have repeatedly demonstrated that large companies do a really bad job at policing their app stores - and the fact that the task is intrinsically harder and technically inferior to building a better operating system doesn't help. The only correct solution to many privacy and security issues (such as microphone access) is OS-level sandboxing and permissions control, not an un-scalable and error-prone attempt at auditing before publishing to an app store. (note that I said "many" privacy and security issues, not "all")
nodamage 6y ago
It's not quite that simple. There are many APIs that are necessary for legitimate purposes that can also be abused. Many of the APIs used for device fingerprinting fall under this category. The contacts APIs are another good example (just because I want to load my contacts so I can send my friend a message doesn't mean I want you to exfiltrate my contacts to your server so you can build a shadow graph of my social network.)

ericmay 6y ago

Idk what FUD means. But long story short, I like things as they are and don't want them to change. If developers don't like that they can kick rocks. I'd rather have no apps and no App Store than to see things change, frankly. > From your point of view iOS users are so stupid that they No.. that's not my point of view or relevant at all to anything I wrote. > shold not be allowed to use a OSX device or a browser Well, judging by all the requests I get to fix things on computers versus iPhones... > not sure if you know but browsers ahve access to camera Yes you have to give the browser permission.

simion314 6y ago
FUD = fear , uncertainty and doubt. >But long story short, I like things as they are and don't want them to change. If developers don't like that they can kick rocks. I'd rather have no apps and no App Store than to see things change, frankly. Who would force you to change? you could buy the US iPhone version with the diamond handcuffs. >Well, judging by all the requests I get to fix things on computers versus iPhones... Then good job to Apple PR and fanboys, the stories about Apple malware and viruses were burried very deep. >Yes you have to give the browser permission. So why this model will not work if you sideload an app? Do you need genius to check the menus of the app so you feel secure?
- ericmay 6y ago
  > Who would force you to change? you could buy the US iPhone version with the diamond handcuffs. I'm not sure how up to speed you are with the current state of the discussion around this topic, but the gist of it is that if you make changes to the App Store, then Apple's work with respect to privacy, security, etc. go out the window because major apps that want to abuse these things will move to third party app stores. Apple loses the ability to collectively bargain on behalf of users. So, making the change almost surely will result in "forcing me to change". Maybe it won't, but I don't see a point in running that experiment. > Then good job to Apple PR and fanboys, the stories about Apple malware and viruses were burried very deep. Yea maybe they are. My own experience - nobody has ever had a problem with their iPhone. But PCs or even Macs? Yea I've had to do work. Almost always it's downloading and installing some thing they shouldn't have. > So why this model will not work if you sideload an app? Do you need genius to check the menus of the app so you feel secure? If you don't like iPhone and Apple so much why not just not use the products? I don't get this desire to change things that other people are quite happy with.
  - simion314 6y ago
    >If you don't like iPhone and Apple so much why not just not use the products? I don't get this desire to change things that other people are quite happy with. If Apple does not like EU rules for fair competition, warranties and repaiar Apple should not do bussiness there instead of breaking the laws. People complaining about bad keyboards, bad video cards, bad batteries and even lawsuits forced Apple to not screw the users and recall bad products or offer free repair. If you like being screwed be my guest and do not use those limited"recall/repair" programs that complainers obtained (remember when Apple ass kissers would accuse people they put food int he keyboard because Apple is perfect) Btw you have the option to buy an US version of iOS device, with the US version of the store, and never would change. you can;t say that FB will ask US people to buy an EU version of the phone so for sure on that US version Apple can continue protecting you.
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    Apple loses the ability to collectively bargain on behalf of users. Without being overly smug here: Good. Apple have been terrible stewards of the platform. Arguably better than Google, but that's a bar so low a deep-bore drilling machine couldn't clear it. The app store is overrun with scams, the approval process is nonobjective and unreliable, and prohibits entire classes of useful software on shaky moralizing grounds. I don't want Apple to bargain on my behalf. I want apple to fuck off, get out of my way, and stop telling me what I can run on my hardware. If you don't like iPhone and Apple so much why not just not use the products? If Apple doesn't like the EU's rules why not just stop doing business there?

fouric 6y ago

> iOS will have the sandbox THIS. Permissions must be enforced at the operating system level. Apple, Google, and others have repeatedly demonstrated that large companies do a really bad job at policing their app stores - and the fact that the task is intrinsically harder and technically inferior to building a better operating system doesn't help. The only correct solution to many privacy and security issues (such as microphone access) is OS-level sandboxing and permissions control, not an un-scalable and error-prone attempt at auditing before publishing to an app store. (note that I said "many" privacy and security issues, not "all")

nodamage 6y ago

It's not quite that simple. There are many APIs that are necessary for legitimate purposes that can also be abused. Many of the APIs used for device fingerprinting fall under this category. The contacts APIs are another good example (just because I want to load my contacts so I can send my friend a message doesn't mean I want you to exfiltrate my contacts to your server so you can build a shadow graph of my social network.)