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Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they give the customers what they wa

Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they give the customers what they want. If iOS becomes the android wild west it'll kill the entire selling point of the iPhone. To me, the iPhone is the equivalent of buying a games console instead of a gaming PC. Less flexibility, less to worry about. 'Its just a phone'.

Sakos 6y ago
> Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they give the customers what they want. Sorry, this is irrelevant. If people want a monopoly, that doesn't change the effects of that monopoly existing.
- breakfastduck 6y ago
  It's not even close to a monopoly
  - Sakos 5y ago
    That was not the point I was making.
gambiting 6y ago
>>If iOS becomes the android wild west it'll kill the entire selling point of the iPhone. What always baffles me, truly leaves me flabbergasted and confused, is.....who is going to force you to use any other app store other than the Apple Store?? I'm on Android, and yes, there are other stores that exist - you can download the Amazon Fire store or many others, or even sideload apps......or......shocking......you can continue using the Play Store??? How is the mere existence of 3rd party stores going to affect your experience with the Apple Store? >>To me, the iPhone is the equivalent of buying a games console instead of a gaming PC. Less flexibility, less to worry about. Again, if you could load a game on your PS5 not from PSN, can you explain to me exactly how it would reduce your ability to only buy and download games available on the PSN?
- bzzzt 6y ago
  >> What always baffles me, truly leaves me flabbergasted and confused, is.....who is going to force you to use any other app store other than the Apple Store?? Think of the new privacy controls: Facebook doesn't like them. So they open their own iOS store, circumventing all Apple rules concerning privacy labels and do not track status.
  - gambiting 6y ago
    While I see the problem, I'm prepared to argue that it should have never been Apple's job to fix the inherent problems with Facebook. If an app is so bad for your privacy that you can only install it through a special dedicated app store.....then maybe that's enough to put people off? And even if it isn't.....well, I can't help it if people want to have shitty facebook tracking them. I'd definitely prefer that they have choice to install it themselves rather than they didn't, and regulatory bodies can regulate what data facebook can collect, not Apple.
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      I think it's pretty clear that the average person isn't actually aware of how invasive the data collection is, and their OS provider putting safeguards on the most common devices (phones) is a good thing imo. If you want a general purpose computer, buy one. An iPhone isn't for that.
      - gambiting 5y ago
        Well, again, the discussion isn't about an iPhone being a general purpose computer or not. It's about what happens if two sides want to engage in an otherwise completely legal business transaction(company A making apps for iOS and wanting to sell them to person B), and Apple saying "no, actually, we need to give you permission before you can do business together, and actually we'll have 30% cut from that thanks". That's where the issue is. Apple can safeguard their devices to the maximum possible extent - that is, to the point where they do not stand in the way of legitimate business transactions happening. I've used this comparison elsewhere - it's as if a company X was making car mats that fit Mercedes models - and Mercedes wanted not only to have a say into whether company X should be allowed to do this, but also wanted a 30% cut from every transactions. Literally decades ago we made laws to prohibit manufacturers from doing exactly this. The question being asked now is - why not software platforms? What makes them so special? And yes, as a software programmer, I understand the technical issues behind this. And those issues can be presented to the courts - but as a society we need to decide if this is something we want to allow or not, this is what's happening now.

Sakos 6y ago

> Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they give the customers what they want. Sorry, this is irrelevant. If people want a monopoly, that doesn't change the effects of that monopoly existing.

breakfastduck 6y ago
It's not even close to a monopoly
- Sakos 5y ago
  That was not the point I was making.

gambiting 6y ago

>>If iOS becomes the android wild west it'll kill the entire selling point of the iPhone. What always baffles me, truly leaves me flabbergasted and confused, is.....who is going to force you to use any other app store other than the Apple Store?? I'm on Android, and yes, there are other stores that exist - you can download the Amazon Fire store or many others, or even sideload apps......or......shocking......you can continue using the Play Store??? How is the mere existence of 3rd party stores going to affect your experience with the Apple Store? >>To me, the iPhone is the equivalent of buying a games console instead of a gaming PC. Less flexibility, less to worry about. Again, if you could load a game on your PS5 not from PSN, can you explain to me exactly how it would reduce your ability to only buy and download games available on the PSN?

bzzzt 6y ago
>> What always baffles me, truly leaves me flabbergasted and confused, is.....who is going to force you to use any other app store other than the Apple Store?? Think of the new privacy controls: Facebook doesn't like them. So they open their own iOS store, circumventing all Apple rules concerning privacy labels and do not track status.
- gambiting 6y ago
  While I see the problem, I'm prepared to argue that it should have never been Apple's job to fix the inherent problems with Facebook. If an app is so bad for your privacy that you can only install it through a special dedicated app store.....then maybe that's enough to put people off? And even if it isn't.....well, I can't help it if people want to have shitty facebook tracking them. I'd definitely prefer that they have choice to install it themselves rather than they didn't, and regulatory bodies can regulate what data facebook can collect, not Apple.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    I think it's pretty clear that the average person isn't actually aware of how invasive the data collection is, and their OS provider putting safeguards on the most common devices (phones) is a good thing imo. If you want a general purpose computer, buy one. An iPhone isn't for that.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      Well, again, the discussion isn't about an iPhone being a general purpose computer or not. It's about what happens if two sides want to engage in an otherwise completely legal business transaction(company A making apps for iOS and wanting to sell them to person B), and Apple saying "no, actually, we need to give you permission before you can do business together, and actually we'll have 30% cut from that thanks". That's where the issue is. Apple can safeguard their devices to the maximum possible extent - that is, to the point where they do not stand in the way of legitimate business transactions happening. I've used this comparison elsewhere - it's as if a company X was making car mats that fit Mercedes models - and Mercedes wanted not only to have a say into whether company X should be allowed to do this, but also wanted a 30% cut from every transactions. Literally decades ago we made laws to prohibit manufacturers from doing exactly this. The question being asked now is - why not software platforms? What makes them so special? And yes, as a software programmer, I understand the technical issues behind this. And those issues can be presented to the courts - but as a society we need to decide if this is something we want to allow or not, this is what's happening now.