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Apple could just stop offering own apps. Utility companies are often regulated similarly - in many countries you can be either an energy producer or grid, not b

Apple could just stop offering own apps. Utility companies are often regulated similarly - in many countries you can be either an energy producer or grid, not both.

endisneigh 5y ago
Why do people compare luxury phone products to utilities lol. Do people honestly believe access to electricity and to iPhones are in any way comparable?
- simion314 5y ago
  Because sometimes you have no choice then build a mobile app and you have to build it for what your customers use, I can't ask my customers to switch to some Linux phone or PC because I have the choice to build only Linux stuff. From the POV of users I would like to see soemthing to make it easy to escape the lockin, like to be able to keep your movies and apps.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    The vast majority of businesses have no app presence. I honestly don’t understand. In no way are Apple devices and electricity access comparable. Phone ecosystems come and go - energy access is forever.
    - simion314 5y ago
      Why should a percentage of businesses be relevant? If I want to deliver food can I ask my customers to use a Linux PC because I only have a Linux app? Can you tell your customers that your website only works on Safari? As a company you have to implement what the customers want, not what you want. Apple controlling the market means you have to (even if you are not forced by a law of nature) make sure your webiste works on Apple devices and if customers want/need mobile apps (maybe because it needs access to native APIs or other shit that you can't do from a web page) you need to have an iOS and an Android app. Apple is not forced to sell in EU either, they will fight this but they are doomed to fail and I think the US is also locking into this, and you also have the right to repair movement that would hopefully also force Apple to do the right thing,
      - endisneigh 5y ago
        > If I want to deliver food can I ask my customers to use a Linux PC because I only have a Linux app? Can you tell your customers that your website only works on Safari? Sure why not? Businesses don’t have to do anything. They can and do support things arbitrarily and customers choose which business to engage with based off those decisions. Apple and Google are following the same rules. Hopefully those rules change, but I doubt it.
        simion314 5y ago
        >Sure why not Are you trolling? or do not understand business?
        endisneigh 5y ago
        I do understand business. You understand that customers are free to move on if they don't like a business' practices right? There are business's today whose websites only work on certain browsers, so I don't know what you're going on about to begin with.
        simion314 5y ago
        >You understand that customers are free to move on if they don't like a business' False. Not when there is a monopoly or the cost is too big(do you need examples? or definitions?) >There are business's today whose websites only work on certain browsers Sure, show me more then one excpetion of a company that made a web product from scratch in the latest 10 years and their product supports ONLY a browser with less then 50% market share. But if you REALLY think(and not trolling) that a real business like restaurant/gym/parking place/shop can support only Linux phones then stop replying , just buy a iPhone from US when the EU version will be unlock-able.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
  Protection of consumers is the common ground.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    Would you say televisions and electricity are also comparable for the same reason?
    - isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
      Yes, if the electricity provider required 30% cut for any TV I hook up except for the one they sell, I would like them to be stopped.
      - endisneigh 5y ago
        That’s not really the analogous situation. More like Samsung takes a 30% cut on apps on its Tizen platform. Surely you’d just change TVs no? Or not buy it to begin with?
        isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
        If only Samsung and Sony were making these TVs, and they both had these platforms, I'm screwed anyway, am I not?
        endisneigh 5y ago
        How are you screwed, exactly? You can still watch tv, no?
        isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
        The full value of iPhones is in the ecosystem of apps, not in the OS itself.
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  During the pandemic many governments use phones to coordinate lockdowns
cletus 5y ago
This same idea comes up with Google search results. For example, if you search for "mortgage calculator" you get a widget you can use directly. If you click on any of the links it takes forever to load (because it's loading 137 different tracking cookies), you're prompted to sign up to their newsletter, there are ads, the calculator is spread across multiple pages (because, hey, that's more impressions) and so on. It's a terrible user experience. So my point is a blanket ban of "competing" is likely to be worse for the consumer. For this example, Apple has a lot of experience with music, a lot of deals in place and developed the iTunes ecosystem. I don't have an issue with them trying to sell a subscription music service. A blanket ban on this seems like an overreaction.

Apple could just stop offering own apps. Utility companies are often regulated similarly - in many countries you can be either an energy producer or grid, not both.

endisneigh 5y ago

Why do people compare luxury phone products to utilities lol. Do people honestly believe access to electricity and to iPhones are in any way comparable?

simion314 5y ago
Because sometimes you have no choice then build a mobile app and you have to build it for what your customers use, I can't ask my customers to switch to some Linux phone or PC because I have the choice to build only Linux stuff. From the POV of users I would like to see soemthing to make it easy to escape the lockin, like to be able to keep your movies and apps.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  The vast majority of businesses have no app presence. I honestly don’t understand. In no way are Apple devices and electricity access comparable. Phone ecosystems come and go - energy access is forever.
  - simion314 5y ago
    Why should a percentage of businesses be relevant? If I want to deliver food can I ask my customers to use a Linux PC because I only have a Linux app? Can you tell your customers that your website only works on Safari? As a company you have to implement what the customers want, not what you want. Apple controlling the market means you have to (even if you are not forced by a law of nature) make sure your webiste works on Apple devices and if customers want/need mobile apps (maybe because it needs access to native APIs or other shit that you can't do from a web page) you need to have an iOS and an Android app. Apple is not forced to sell in EU either, they will fight this but they are doomed to fail and I think the US is also locking into this, and you also have the right to repair movement that would hopefully also force Apple to do the right thing,
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      > If I want to deliver food can I ask my customers to use a Linux PC because I only have a Linux app? Can you tell your customers that your website only works on Safari? Sure why not? Businesses don’t have to do anything. They can and do support things arbitrarily and customers choose which business to engage with based off those decisions. Apple and Google are following the same rules. Hopefully those rules change, but I doubt it.
      - simion314 5y ago
        >Sure why not Are you trolling? or do not understand business?
        endisneigh 5y ago
        I do understand business. You understand that customers are free to move on if they don't like a business' practices right? There are business's today whose websites only work on certain browsers, so I don't know what you're going on about to begin with.
        simion314 5y ago
        >You understand that customers are free to move on if they don't like a business' False. Not when there is a monopoly or the cost is too big(do you need examples? or definitions?) >There are business's today whose websites only work on certain browsers Sure, show me more then one excpetion of a company that made a web product from scratch in the latest 10 years and their product supports ONLY a browser with less then 50% market share. But if you REALLY think(and not trolling) that a real business like restaurant/gym/parking place/shop can support only Linux phones then stop replying , just buy a iPhone from US when the EU version will be unlock-able.
isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
Protection of consumers is the common ground.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  Would you say televisions and electricity are also comparable for the same reason?
  - isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
    Yes, if the electricity provider required 30% cut for any TV I hook up except for the one they sell, I would like them to be stopped.
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      That’s not really the analogous situation. More like Samsung takes a 30% cut on apps on its Tizen platform. Surely you’d just change TVs no? Or not buy it to begin with?
      - isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
        If only Samsung and Sony were making these TVs, and they both had these platforms, I'm screwed anyway, am I not?
        endisneigh 5y ago
        How are you screwed, exactly? You can still watch tv, no?
        isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
        The full value of iPhones is in the ecosystem of apps, not in the OS itself.
cblconfederate 5y ago
During the pandemic many governments use phones to coordinate lockdowns

cletus 5y ago

This same idea comes up with Google search results. For example, if you search for "mortgage calculator" you get a widget you can use directly. If you click on any of the links it takes forever to load (because it's loading 137 different tracking cookies), you're prompted to sign up to their newsletter, there are ads, the calculator is spread across multiple pages (because, hey, that's more impressions) and so on. It's a terrible user experience. So my point is a blanket ban of "competing" is likely to be worse for the consumer. For this example, Apple has a lot of experience with music, a lot of deals in place and developed the iTunes ecosystem. I don't have an issue with them trying to sell a subscription music service. A blanket ban on this seems like an overreaction.