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It's not so much the percentage, as the ability to operate outside of the app store if you so wish

endisneigh 6y ago
Can’t you just buy another phone? I honestly don’t get it - did people not understand what they were buying when they purchased an Apple device? Did Apple ever advertise openness and reneg on that?
- gambiting 6y ago
  That's irrelevant. EU has already ruled previously that if you, as a company, reach more than 10% of EU's population(about 30M people) then no, you can no longer get away with just saying "my platform, my rules". The easiest way to think about it is - John wants to sell Mark a product that works on Mark's iphone. Currently, John cannot do that without a) getting explicit permission from Apple b) giving Apple a substantial cut, regardless of whether John wants to use their services or not. This is what EU(and hopefully US very soon) has a problem with - Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they stifle legitimate business and competition.
  - endisneigh 6y ago
    I see if that’s the rule then I support it. I await the end of percentage fees and hope all >10% platforms open up. By the way you have a link to that law ?
    - gambiting 6y ago
      I believe this has already passed into law, but admittedly I cannot find the specific link saying so. Here's the law anyway: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2347 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_... "Platforms that reach more than 10% of the EU's population (45 million users) are considered systemic in nature, and are subject not only to specific obligations to control their own risks, but also to a new oversight structure. This new accountability framework will be comprised of a board of national Digital Services Coordinators, with special powers for the Commission in supervising very large platforms including the ability to sanction them directly."
  - breakfastduck 6y ago
    Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they give the customers what they want. If iOS becomes the android wild west it'll kill the entire selling point of the iPhone. To me, the iPhone is the equivalent of buying a games console instead of a gaming PC. Less flexibility, less to worry about. 'Its just a phone'.
    - Sakos 6y ago
      > Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they give the customers what they want. Sorry, this is irrelevant. If people want a monopoly, that doesn't change the effects of that monopoly existing.
      - breakfastduck 6y ago
        It's not even close to a monopoly
        Sakos 6y ago
        That was not the point I was making.
    - gambiting 6y ago
      >>If iOS becomes the android wild west it'll kill the entire selling point of the iPhone. What always baffles me, truly leaves me flabbergasted and confused, is.....who is going to force you to use any other app store other than the Apple Store?? I'm on Android, and yes, there are other stores that exist - you can download the Amazon Fire store or many others, or even sideload apps......or......shocking......you can continue using the Play Store??? How is the mere existence of 3rd party stores going to affect your experience with the Apple Store? >>To me, the iPhone is the equivalent of buying a games console instead of a gaming PC. Less flexibility, less to worry about. Again, if you could load a game on your PS5 not from PSN, can you explain to me exactly how it would reduce your ability to only buy and download games available on the PSN?

Can’t you just buy another phone? I honestly don’t get it - did people not understand what they were buying when they purchased an Apple device? Did Apple ever advertise openness and reneg on that?

gambiting 6y ago
That's irrelevant. EU has already ruled previously that if you, as a company, reach more than 10% of EU's population(about 30M people) then no, you can no longer get away with just saying "my platform, my rules". The easiest way to think about it is - John wants to sell Mark a product that works on Mark's iphone. Currently, John cannot do that without a) getting explicit permission from Apple b) giving Apple a substantial cut, regardless of whether John wants to use their services or not. This is what EU(and hopefully US very soon) has a problem with - Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they stifle legitimate business and competition.
- endisneigh 6y ago
  I see if that’s the rule then I support it. I await the end of percentage fees and hope all >10% platforms open up. By the way you have a link to that law ?
  - gambiting 6y ago
    I believe this has already passed into law, but admittedly I cannot find the specific link saying so. Here's the law anyway: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2347 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_... "Platforms that reach more than 10% of the EU's population (45 million users) are considered systemic in nature, and are subject not only to specific obligations to control their own risks, but also to a new oversight structure. This new accountability framework will be comprised of a board of national Digital Services Coordinators, with special powers for the Commission in supervising very large platforms including the ability to sanction them directly."
- breakfastduck 6y ago
  Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they give the customers what they want. If iOS becomes the android wild west it'll kill the entire selling point of the iPhone. To me, the iPhone is the equivalent of buying a games console instead of a gaming PC. Less flexibility, less to worry about. 'Its just a phone'.
  - Sakos 6y ago
    > Apple holds a gigantic market in their grasp and by controlling it so tightly and by forcing everyone to use their billing, they give the customers what they want. Sorry, this is irrelevant. If people want a monopoly, that doesn't change the effects of that monopoly existing.
    - breakfastduck 6y ago
      It's not even close to a monopoly
      - Sakos 6y ago
        That was not the point I was making.
  - gambiting 6y ago
    >>If iOS becomes the android wild west it'll kill the entire selling point of the iPhone. What always baffles me, truly leaves me flabbergasted and confused, is.....who is going to force you to use any other app store other than the Apple Store?? I'm on Android, and yes, there are other stores that exist - you can download the Amazon Fire store or many others, or even sideload apps......or......shocking......you can continue using the Play Store??? How is the mere existence of 3rd party stores going to affect your experience with the Apple Store? >>To me, the iPhone is the equivalent of buying a games console instead of a gaming PC. Less flexibility, less to worry about. Again, if you could load a game on your PS5 not from PSN, can you explain to me exactly how it would reduce your ability to only buy and download games available on the PSN?