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A. This market is a duopoly so there is limited opportunity to vote with your wallet. B. Neither is not really a choice for most people. C. It is one thing if

A. This market is a duopoly so there is limited opportunity to vote with your wallet. B. Neither is not really a choice for most people. C. It is one thing if Apple wants to charge a percentage of revenue to use their app store. But they have made it against the rules to: allow side loading, allow alternative app stores, link to a web payment option in one of their apps, and even to mention that they charge 30% of the revenue for in app purchases. That is clearly anti competitive.

endisneigh 5y ago
> A. This market is a duopoly so there is limited opportunity to vote with your wallet. This was not always the case. What’s stopping a competitor from defeating both Apple and Google? Windows Mobile had a peak market share of about 42%, higher than what Apple has in the EU. My response to B is the same to A. Regarding C what is an acceptable percentage - how did you come up with that number? Apple has been pretty transparent about the rules - why buy if you don’t like?
- ahiknsr 5y ago
  > Apple has been pretty transparent about the rules I disagree. Apple doesn't let App developers to inform users about the 30% tax. How is that transparent?
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    It does, though https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/11/apple-announces-app-store-small-business-program/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/11/apple-announces-app-s... It’s not a secret at all, lol.
    - ahiknsr 5y ago
      No. "Apple blocked Facebook from informing users that Apple would collect 30 percent of in-app purchases made through a planned new feature, Facebook tells Reuters. Apple said the update violated an App Store rule that doesn’t let developers show “irrelevant” information to users" https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/28/21405140/apple-rejects-facebook-update-30-percent-cut https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/28/21405140/apple-rejects-fa...
      - endisneigh 5y ago
        That’s a related, but separate issue. My point is that app developers know about the fees. Apple doesn’t hide them. The issue you’re describing is more of whether Apple should allow App Store developers display messages to the end user of their apps saying that Apple is skimming off the top. Similar to how it would be if Apple said Visa will take 2% or whatever.
        simion314 5y ago
        That makes sense for Apple but not for the Apple users, users pay more so users lose and Apple wins, this shit does not fly in other countries. For example for currency exchanges we had laws(in Romania) that you have to print in giant fonts all the fees/taxes. The law was created because the giant text was showing some values and the fees were hidden or printed in small fonts somewhere unreadable. IMO aa country could force Apple to print on their iPHone boxes something like (30% of your subscriptions or Farmwill gems go to Apple, buyer be aware that you can probably buy the subscriptions cheaper on the developer website but Apple won't allow them to show you the link because they are greedy)
        endisneigh 5y ago
        If Apple users were harmed by this they would change platforms, no? Apple didn't always have phones, nor were they always a big presence in computing. Presumably they're doing something right, which is why people are buying their stuff.
        simion314 5y ago
        Can you move your apps,movies, contacts from iOS ? Can someone kept in the dark by App Store rules even know that he is screwed by Apple? If Apple is harmed by this can chose not to sell in EU.
        chipgap98 5y ago
        But that's the problem. Smart phones have a high level of friction to change operating systems. The phones are expensive and there is a decent amount of platform lock in. If developers want to have a profitable business they pretty much need to build for iOS or Android. The developers are creating value for Apple by improving their app ecosystem but Apple is acting like they are doing the developers a favor.
- KptMarchewa 5y ago
  42%? Was that on some random small market? Globally it peaked at 4%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    https://bgr.com/general/apple-and-google-dominate-smartphone-space-while-other-vendors-scramble-116194/ https://bgr.com/general/apple-and-google-dominate-smartphone...

endisneigh 5y ago

> A. This market is a duopoly so there is limited opportunity to vote with your wallet. This was not always the case. What’s stopping a competitor from defeating both Apple and Google? Windows Mobile had a peak market share of about 42%, higher than what Apple has in the EU. My response to B is the same to A. Regarding C what is an acceptable percentage - how did you come up with that number? Apple has been pretty transparent about the rules - why buy if you don’t like?

ahiknsr 5y ago
> Apple has been pretty transparent about the rules I disagree. Apple doesn't let App developers to inform users about the 30% tax. How is that transparent?
- endisneigh 5y ago
  It does, though https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/11/apple-announces-app-store-small-business-program/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/11/apple-announces-app-s... It’s not a secret at all, lol.
  - ahiknsr 5y ago
    No. "Apple blocked Facebook from informing users that Apple would collect 30 percent of in-app purchases made through a planned new feature, Facebook tells Reuters. Apple said the update violated an App Store rule that doesn’t let developers show “irrelevant” information to users" https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/28/21405140/apple-rejects-facebook-update-30-percent-cut https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/28/21405140/apple-rejects-fa...
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      That’s a related, but separate issue. My point is that app developers know about the fees. Apple doesn’t hide them. The issue you’re describing is more of whether Apple should allow App Store developers display messages to the end user of their apps saying that Apple is skimming off the top. Similar to how it would be if Apple said Visa will take 2% or whatever.
      - simion314 5y ago
        That makes sense for Apple but not for the Apple users, users pay more so users lose and Apple wins, this shit does not fly in other countries. For example for currency exchanges we had laws(in Romania) that you have to print in giant fonts all the fees/taxes. The law was created because the giant text was showing some values and the fees were hidden or printed in small fonts somewhere unreadable. IMO aa country could force Apple to print on their iPHone boxes something like (30% of your subscriptions or Farmwill gems go to Apple, buyer be aware that you can probably buy the subscriptions cheaper on the developer website but Apple won't allow them to show you the link because they are greedy)
        endisneigh 5y ago
        If Apple users were harmed by this they would change platforms, no? Apple didn't always have phones, nor were they always a big presence in computing. Presumably they're doing something right, which is why people are buying their stuff.
        simion314 5y ago
        Can you move your apps,movies, contacts from iOS ? Can someone kept in the dark by App Store rules even know that he is screwed by Apple? If Apple is harmed by this can chose not to sell in EU.
      - chipgap98 5y ago
        But that's the problem. Smart phones have a high level of friction to change operating systems. The phones are expensive and there is a decent amount of platform lock in. If developers want to have a profitable business they pretty much need to build for iOS or Android. The developers are creating value for Apple by improving their app ecosystem but Apple is acting like they are doing the developers a favor.
KptMarchewa 5y ago
42%? Was that on some random small market? Globally it peaked at 4%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
- endisneigh 5y ago
  https://bgr.com/general/apple-and-google-dominate-smartphone-space-while-other-vendors-scramble-116194/ https://bgr.com/general/apple-and-google-dominate-smartphone...