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Seeing the Tories confidently declare they will negotiate a series of treaties that will be in the UK's favour, only to be shoved around by anyone and everyone

by smcl 6y ago

Seeing the Tories confidently declare they will negotiate a series of treaties that will be in the UK's favour, only to be shoved around by anyone and everyone and generally being made to look like incompetent oafs is a pretty textbook example of schadenfreude no?

Chris2048 6y ago
The tories? sure. I don't consider them natural brexiters though; their current leader is just a populist.
- smcl 6y ago
  It's a bit more than the leader though, they seem pretty enthusiastic about it overall.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  They were the party most loudly in support of Brexit, voting for it in the largest numbers, and they were also the ones who made it happen. If that doesn't make them "natural Brexiters" then the phrase "natural Brexiters" is meaningless. They are the Brexiters, more than anyone else.
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    > They were the party most loudly in support of Brexit Not the brexit party? Arguing which of the established parties was "most supportive" is like arguing who is the tallest hobbit. > they were also the ones who made it happen barely. It was the electorate that made it happen. > They are the Brexiters, more than anyone else That "anyone else" are the people that voted for it.
alfiedotwtf 6y ago
> only to be shoved around by anyone and everyone Don't worry... Australia came to its rescue last week, ready for us to be shoved around by the mother country in "uncomfortable chairs".
jfengel 6y ago
Pedantry: what you describe is just "comeuppance". To be schadenfreude, you have to be taking joy in it. You can have schadenfreude without comeuppance, though that can verge into just plain sadism or gloating. Schadenfreude usually has a connotation that the misfortune is deserved. So yes, Remain voters (and those who sympathize with them) may definitely be experiencing some schadenfreude watching the Tories hoist by their own petard.
- smcl 6y ago
  Yeah it wasn’t explicitly stated but I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume the person who used the term in this thread is enjoying it slightly, given the statement that followed it

by smcl 6y ago

Chris2048 6y ago

The tories? sure. I don't consider them natural brexiters though; their current leader is just a populist.

smcl 6y ago
It's a bit more than the leader though, they seem pretty enthusiastic about it overall.
CydeWeys 6y ago
They were the party most loudly in support of Brexit, voting for it in the largest numbers, and they were also the ones who made it happen. If that doesn't make them "natural Brexiters" then the phrase "natural Brexiters" is meaningless. They are the Brexiters, more than anyone else.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > They were the party most loudly in support of Brexit Not the brexit party? Arguing which of the established parties was "most supportive" is like arguing who is the tallest hobbit. > they were also the ones who made it happen barely. It was the electorate that made it happen. > They are the Brexiters, more than anyone else That "anyone else" are the people that voted for it.

alfiedotwtf 6y ago

> only to be shoved around by anyone and everyone Don't worry... Australia came to its rescue last week, ready for us to be shoved around by the mother country in "uncomfortable chairs".

jfengel 6y ago

Pedantry: what you describe is just "comeuppance". To be schadenfreude, you have to be taking joy in it. You can have schadenfreude without comeuppance, though that can verge into just plain sadism or gloating. Schadenfreude usually has a connotation that the misfortune is deserved. So yes, Remain voters (and those who sympathize with them) may definitely be experiencing some schadenfreude watching the Tories hoist by their own petard.

smcl 6y ago
Yeah it wasn’t explicitly stated but I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume the person who used the term in this thread is enjoying it slightly, given the statement that followed it