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Looking at the graphs and knowing how much they are affected by any one major casualty I don't find the hypothesis that many more boxes are being lost due to ve

by macmac 5y ago

Looking at the graphs and knowing how much they are affected by any one major casualty I don't find the hypothesis that many more boxes are being lost due to vessels operating at capacity very well documented.

ppf 5y ago
The idea that "weather is increasingly unpredictable" is also presented as a fact.
- estaseuropano 5y ago
  That is an established fact with lots of scientific backing that at this stage really shouldn't need any citations each time it is mentioned. Whether there is any proof that that really impacts container loss would be another question though.
  - ppf 5y ago
    Humour me. It's certainly a recent scientific fact, if so.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
      Is Yale a credible enough source for your curiosities? https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-increased-significantly-in-the-last-20-years https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-inc... If that's too recent for you the increase of extreme weather events as a consequence of fossil fuel induced climate change is explicitly stated by the world meteorological organisation back in 2009. https://public.wmo.int/en/bulletin/weather-and-climate-change-implications-surface-transportation-usa https://public.wmo.int/en/bulletin/weather-and-climate-chang... Shell oil admitted they knew this back in 1991 and made a video about it. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/28/shell-knew-oil-giants-1991-film-warned-climate-change-danger https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/28/shell-kn... I can keep going, shell knew back in 1980. https://mashable.com/2018/04/05/shell-knew-truth-on-global-warming-1980s/ https://mashable.com/2018/04/05/shell-knew-truth-on-global-w... The fact that Climate change causes an increase in extreme weather events is common knowledge, or should be. Many people on this site have grown up learning about this in school. Though I can't speak for the quality of education that everyone in some unscientific states have recieved. However, the science is irrefutable.
      - macmac 5y ago
        Those are separate problems. Weather can become more extreme without becoming more unpredictable.
      - ppf 5y ago
        I enjoyed your little moment of US exceptionalism, assuming that I am in one of the dumber states, as well as the opening call to authority. Your references, in order: 1. This would be light on detail for a Medium blog post. "Reported extreme weather events" depends wildly on measurement, reporting, and public communication criteria, none of which is quantified. As another commenter pointed out, "extreme weather" is also not the same thing as "unpredictable weather". 2. Is a largely an investigation of what would happen if global temperatures increased, along with some computer projections of future weather conditions. This is not proof of anything. 3. I'm not sure what to make of this, especially as the original video is not referenced. "Warning of climate change" is not the same as "climate change is happening". 4. This Mashable article, again, does not link the original documents that Shell wrote. I'm not sure of the status of science education where you live, but referencing pop-sci articles that reference companies that once wrote a report about climate change does not constitute serious research.
    - macmac 5y ago
      Me too. Especially if we compensate for the sharp increase in the quality of prediction and observation technology.

by macmac 5y ago

ppf 5y ago

The idea that "weather is increasingly unpredictable" is also presented as a fact.

estaseuropano 5y ago
That is an established fact with lots of scientific backing that at this stage really shouldn't need any citations each time it is mentioned. Whether there is any proof that that really impacts container loss would be another question though.
- ppf 5y ago
  Humour me. It's certainly a recent scientific fact, if so.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
    Is Yale a credible enough source for your curiosities? https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-increased-significantly-in-the-last-20-years https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-inc... If that's too recent for you the increase of extreme weather events as a consequence of fossil fuel induced climate change is explicitly stated by the world meteorological organisation back in 2009. https://public.wmo.int/en/bulletin/weather-and-climate-change-implications-surface-transportation-usa https://public.wmo.int/en/bulletin/weather-and-climate-chang... Shell oil admitted they knew this back in 1991 and made a video about it. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/28/shell-knew-oil-giants-1991-film-warned-climate-change-danger https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/28/shell-kn... I can keep going, shell knew back in 1980. https://mashable.com/2018/04/05/shell-knew-truth-on-global-warming-1980s/ https://mashable.com/2018/04/05/shell-knew-truth-on-global-w... The fact that Climate change causes an increase in extreme weather events is common knowledge, or should be. Many people on this site have grown up learning about this in school. Though I can't speak for the quality of education that everyone in some unscientific states have recieved. However, the science is irrefutable.
    - macmac 5y ago
      Those are separate problems. Weather can become more extreme without becoming more unpredictable.
    - ppf 5y ago
      I enjoyed your little moment of US exceptionalism, assuming that I am in one of the dumber states, as well as the opening call to authority. Your references, in order: 1. This would be light on detail for a Medium blog post. "Reported extreme weather events" depends wildly on measurement, reporting, and public communication criteria, none of which is quantified. As another commenter pointed out, "extreme weather" is also not the same thing as "unpredictable weather". 2. Is a largely an investigation of what would happen if global temperatures increased, along with some computer projections of future weather conditions. This is not proof of anything. 3. I'm not sure what to make of this, especially as the original video is not referenced. "Warning of climate change" is not the same as "climate change is happening". 4. This Mashable article, again, does not link the original documents that Shell wrote. I'm not sure of the status of science education where you live, but referencing pop-sci articles that reference companies that once wrote a report about climate change does not constitute serious research.
  - macmac 5y ago
    Me too. Especially if we compensate for the sharp increase in the quality of prediction and observation technology.