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The Chinese government cannot be trusted. PRC-based companies are required to cooperate with the state intelligence apparatus. Not that much different in the US

The Chinese government cannot be trusted. PRC-based companies are required to cooperate with the state intelligence apparatus. Not that much different in the US and the US-aligned world, but at least there is more transparency, open discussion, and defiance. All the reasons (privacy/spying, government unaccountability, etc.) that would make basing a tech company in the US bad are worse in China. It does seem, though, many are (seemingly in bad faith) increasingly conflating criticism and scepticism of the Chinese government with racial or ethnic animosity. It is almost identical to how discussions surrounding the Israeli government are conflated (seemingly in bad faith) with anti-Semitism. E: spelling and placement

Black101 5y ago
but is Opera operated by the Chinese Government? looks like it is from what you are saying but dang I have no clue.
- Sevastopol 5y ago
  > but is Opera operated by the Chinese Government? I said _cooperate_ (which means to assist someone or comply with their requests). I did not say Opera was operated by the Chinese government. > looks like it is from what you are saying but dang I have no clue. What I wrote might be confusing if someone did not know the definition of "cooperate", no fault. An example of what "cooperation" with a state might look like: https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ -- https://archive.is/PsVTH https://archive.is/PsVTH . Or it might look like the various party cells within PRC-based companies.
  - Black101 5y ago
    *required* to cooperate and cooperate are two different things.... i.e.: if I have to do what you say, I'm basically working for you (or a slave)
- sirius87 5y ago
  They don't have to be fully operated by a govt in order to exert operational control in certain areas of interest. We have seen this with Zoom: China-Based Executive at U.S. Telecommunications Company Charged with Disrupting Video Meetings Commemorating Tiananmen Square Massacre https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/china-based-executive-us-telecommunications-company-charged-disrupting-video-meetings https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/china-based-executive-us-tele...

Black101 5y ago

but is Opera operated by the Chinese Government? looks like it is from what you are saying but dang I have no clue.

Sevastopol 5y ago
> but is Opera operated by the Chinese Government? I said _cooperate_ (which means to assist someone or comply with their requests). I did not say Opera was operated by the Chinese government. > looks like it is from what you are saying but dang I have no clue. What I wrote might be confusing if someone did not know the definition of "cooperate", no fault. An example of what "cooperation" with a state might look like: https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ -- https://archive.is/PsVTH https://archive.is/PsVTH . Or it might look like the various party cells within PRC-based companies.
- Black101 5y ago
  *required* to cooperate and cooperate are two different things.... i.e.: if I have to do what you say, I'm basically working for you (or a slave)
sirius87 5y ago
They don't have to be fully operated by a govt in order to exert operational control in certain areas of interest. We have seen this with Zoom: China-Based Executive at U.S. Telecommunications Company Charged with Disrupting Video Meetings Commemorating Tiananmen Square Massacre https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/china-based-executive-us-telecommunications-company-charged-disrupting-video-meetings https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/china-based-executive-us-tele...