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I do agree with you that the system blocks more people than it should. Personally, I think there should be many more apprenticeships than there are currently. T

by fridif 5y ago

I do agree with you that the system blocks more people than it should. Personally, I think there should be many more apprenticeships than there are currently. There are many technical roles that can be fulfilled by people of all backgrounds. But, for the most serious roles, there needs to be skill scrutiny and performance under pressure. Think of the difference between a performing artist and a music teacher. Both are vital roles and have related but distinct skill sets. The performing artist must have everything drilled and ready to go on stage, much like a heart surgeon shouldn't be doing research on the operating table.

andrew_ 5y ago
Are we going to ask a symphonic performer to produce scales during an interview, a heart surgeon to suture a laceration? We would not, it would be insulting for a myriad of reasons.
- fridif 5y ago
  If a symphonic performer can't run through some scales, or a doctor cant suture a laceration, I would say that is indicative of a major problem. If you owned a restaurant, would you hire a hostess that couldn't operate a telephone, or a cook that couldn't turn on a stove? Similarly I wouldn't hire a programmer that could not turn an array into a linked list.
  - andrew_ 5y ago
    To quote my original comment: > I can only state that I'm thankful we don't work together I truly pity the folks that have to interview with you.
confidantlake 5y ago
The vast majority of software jobs do not need performance artist skills. Most of the pressure is deadline pressure, not "stage" pressure.
- fridif 5y ago
  Say that you own an auto repair facility. You have 10 mechanics who have applied, and all ten have previous experience on their resume. How would you interview them, so as to choose the best candidate the first time?
  - confidantlake 5y ago
    I won't have a great answer since I have no experience in the area. But I would probably ask them to repair something, leave them alone and come back in 2 hours. Pick the mechanic that repaired it the best. I would not stare over their shoulder while they worked. For the music teacher I would have them record the piece, and send in the best take. I wouldn't demand they get on stage and play the piece.

by fridif 5y ago

andrew_ 5y ago

Are we going to ask a symphonic performer to produce scales during an interview, a heart surgeon to suture a laceration? We would not, it would be insulting for a myriad of reasons.

fridif 5y ago
If a symphonic performer can't run through some scales, or a doctor cant suture a laceration, I would say that is indicative of a major problem. If you owned a restaurant, would you hire a hostess that couldn't operate a telephone, or a cook that couldn't turn on a stove? Similarly I wouldn't hire a programmer that could not turn an array into a linked list.
- andrew_ 5y ago
  To quote my original comment: > I can only state that I'm thankful we don't work together I truly pity the folks that have to interview with you.

confidantlake 5y ago

The vast majority of software jobs do not need performance artist skills. Most of the pressure is deadline pressure, not "stage" pressure.

fridif 5y ago
Say that you own an auto repair facility. You have 10 mechanics who have applied, and all ten have previous experience on their resume. How would you interview them, so as to choose the best candidate the first time?
- confidantlake 5y ago
  I won't have a great answer since I have no experience in the area. But I would probably ask them to repair something, leave them alone and come back in 2 hours. Pick the mechanic that repaired it the best. I would not stare over their shoulder while they worked. For the music teacher I would have them record the piece, and send in the best take. I wouldn't demand they get on stage and play the piece.