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Create React App is a crime against computers. It's an absolute resource hog, which maybe is okay for Facebook engineers with $3000 MacBooks, but we can't give

by amasad 5y ago

Create React App is a crime against computers. It's an absolute resource hog, which maybe is okay for Facebook engineers with $3000 MacBooks, but we can't give that much resources to free users. To use React on Replit you should use Vite. We were on HN just yesterday talking about it, it's an absolute delight: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26972400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26972400 If you really want to use CRA on Replit, you should buy the hacker plan for $7/month which also lets you boost select repls and it will then be very usable for you: https://blog.replit.com/boosts https://blog.replit.com/boosts

edoceo 5y ago
I lol-ed and also like your frank answer. well done.
remram 5y ago
I guess my real point is that common workloads that work for everyone don't work on your development environment. I could pay for a bigger environment from you, but really this does not make me want to move any workflow to your platform (especially not production deployments!). Sure, I can try and sell a whole different tool to my team, or accept that they just want to get things done and keep using the current tool that works everywhere but on replit. I get where you're coming from, and I might take your advice next time I have to do something frontend-related (which hopefully I won't), but also understand that this works fine on most other tools' free tiers. In fact it builds from scratch and publishes to GitHub pages in 50s in GitHub Actions.
- thrwaeasddsaf 5y ago
  That's a world where megacorps and VC-funded fartups are the only thing left, and they can give you lucrative free tires because either they're FU big or they're just burning VC money to lock you in and eventually sell your data or extort the money from you once they've become dominant on the market. I get where you're coming from; you just want free stuff. Understandable. But also understand that there are people who want to operate and support different kinds of businesses. For example, we might pay a few dollars a month for someone to host a git repo: https://sourcehut.org/pricing/ https://sourcehut.org/pricing/ Offering service actually costs money, and it has to come from somewhere.
  - remram 5y ago
    This is $7/mo before I even get to try it on real workloads though. There is no trial period or limited setup in which I can evaluate your system on a real (but simple) workload before grabbing my credit card. Surely you can see how that would turn people away...
    - thrwaeasddsaf 5y ago
      Yeah, sometimes you have to shell out. Anything that can run a "real workload" is these days going to be heavily targeted by buttcoin miners and other abuse. Any free trial is ripe for abuse, and it becomes a cat & mouse game to try to identify and stop them before they waste all your resources. Is that fight worth fighting for a small business? Probably not. Yeah, you might lose a stingy few potential would-be customers but that may cost less than the fight. I bet most of these small businesses will be happy to refund your $7 if you try their service, find out that it's not for you, and explain your situation nicely.
ec109685 5y ago
Given how spiky a dev environment would seem to be from a CPU perspective, can you pack a large number of free customers on a single very large VM to allow those occasional spikes without requiring a huge investment? Anyone abusing that free cluster, you boot over to a more constrained and throttled environment. Appreciate the candor and thanks for the blog post. Clearly an environment like this is the future development.
nindalf 5y ago
The most performant MacBook on the market costs $1000, just saying (M1 MacBook Air). You can get one with a larger screen if that’s your thing. But $1000 gets you more than enough to run create react app. You really shouldn’t slag off people who are working hard to give you something for free. And if you are, at least get your facts straight.

by amasad 5y ago

edoceo 5y ago

I lol-ed and also like your frank answer. well done.

remram 5y ago

I guess my real point is that common workloads that work for everyone don't work on your development environment. I could pay for a bigger environment from you, but really this does not make me want to move any workflow to your platform (especially not production deployments!). Sure, I can try and sell a whole different tool to my team, or accept that they just want to get things done and keep using the current tool that works everywhere but on replit. I get where you're coming from, and I might take your advice next time I have to do something frontend-related (which hopefully I won't), but also understand that this works fine on most other tools' free tiers. In fact it builds from scratch and publishes to GitHub pages in 50s in GitHub Actions.

thrwaeasddsaf 5y ago
That's a world where megacorps and VC-funded fartups are the only thing left, and they can give you lucrative free tires because either they're FU big or they're just burning VC money to lock you in and eventually sell your data or extort the money from you once they've become dominant on the market. I get where you're coming from; you just want free stuff. Understandable. But also understand that there are people who want to operate and support different kinds of businesses. For example, we might pay a few dollars a month for someone to host a git repo: https://sourcehut.org/pricing/ https://sourcehut.org/pricing/ Offering service actually costs money, and it has to come from somewhere.
- remram 5y ago
  This is $7/mo before I even get to try it on real workloads though. There is no trial period or limited setup in which I can evaluate your system on a real (but simple) workload before grabbing my credit card. Surely you can see how that would turn people away...
  - thrwaeasddsaf 5y ago
    Yeah, sometimes you have to shell out. Anything that can run a "real workload" is these days going to be heavily targeted by buttcoin miners and other abuse. Any free trial is ripe for abuse, and it becomes a cat & mouse game to try to identify and stop them before they waste all your resources. Is that fight worth fighting for a small business? Probably not. Yeah, you might lose a stingy few potential would-be customers but that may cost less than the fight. I bet most of these small businesses will be happy to refund your $7 if you try their service, find out that it's not for you, and explain your situation nicely.

ec109685 5y ago

Given how spiky a dev environment would seem to be from a CPU perspective, can you pack a large number of free customers on a single very large VM to allow those occasional spikes without requiring a huge investment? Anyone abusing that free cluster, you boot over to a more constrained and throttled environment. Appreciate the candor and thanks for the blog post. Clearly an environment like this is the future development.

nindalf 5y ago

The most performant MacBook on the market costs $1000, just saying (M1 MacBook Air). You can get one with a larger screen if that’s your thing. But $1000 gets you more than enough to run create react app. You really shouldn’t slag off people who are working hard to give you something for free. And if you are, at least get your facts straight.