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I knew someone with a preexisting blood condition who got clotting after taking the vaccine. So for those people the chance is way higher. But the risks for clo

I knew someone with a preexisting blood condition who got clotting after taking the vaccine. So for those people the chance is way higher. But the risks for clotting were not as well known at the time as they are now, and she didn't do her own research.

throwawayboise 5y ago
People "doing their own research" about COVID vaccines get ridiculed as science-denying nutjobs. Has something changed?
- dkarras 5y ago
  nope, they are still nutjobs.
  - data_acquired 5y ago
    "Nutjobs" is still a bit harsh, no? :) I do know a fair number of people who fall into the first category (but unfortunately, know far more in the second category).
    - dkarras 5y ago
      I'd agree but I have never seen someone that said "I did my own research" in this context who is not a nutjob. "I did my own research" in this context deeply implies that there is a conspiracy going on. This disease has been the primary focus of the whole world for the last 1.5 years, all data is publicly available, and is publicly interpreted by countless independent top experts in the field frequently. If you "did your own research" and believe things to be opposite of countless independent experts are saying, you probably believe in a conspiracy around all this - that is nutjob territory to me. If you are researching a very niche, understudied subject, sure. But in contexts like this, you probably won't hear the words "I did my own research" from people who know what they are saying.
- thelean12 5y ago
  I see a couple different scenarios: 1. Do your own research -> see something concerning -> ask your doctor to verify/interpret -> follow doctor's orders 2. Do your own research -> see something concerning -> accept your research as truth #1 is valid and good. #2 is bad. This has always been the case.
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  - thelean12 5y ago
    Someone responded with a good question but then deleted it: Aren't you allowed to disagree with your doctor? Sure, in the sense that you can get second opinions if you're extra concerned about the topic. If you're pregnant or have a blood clotting issue, by all means get a first and second opinion if you're worried about getting the vaccine. But don't think that you are more qualified than medical professionals to understand the risks and side effects (unless of course you are a medical professional).
  - caeril 5y ago
    Physicians don't exactly do the research better than you do. They accept the standard line from their decades-old schooling, or CDC bulletins, or hospital administrators as gospel truth, and may occasionally update their priors in a year after attending a conference. In the general case, a physician is obviously better than a patient in terms of being informed. On the margin, however, a well-researched patient will almost always be better informed than a physician accustomed to the average patient. This is particularly relevant to the ~130 IQ HN populace.
    - thelean12 5y ago
      > On the margin, however, a well-researched patient will almost always be better informed than a physician accustomed to the average patient. This is particularly relevant to the ~130 IQ HN populace. It's quite dangerous and egotistical to think that you are in that group, though. When most people think they're a better than average driver, many are bound to be wrong. If you think you're right about something and the doctor is wrong, get a second opinion. Don't assume you know better than a medical professional.

throwawayboise 5y ago

People "doing their own research" about COVID vaccines get ridiculed as science-denying nutjobs. Has something changed?

dkarras 5y ago
nope, they are still nutjobs.
- data_acquired 5y ago
  "Nutjobs" is still a bit harsh, no? :) I do know a fair number of people who fall into the first category (but unfortunately, know far more in the second category).
  - dkarras 5y ago
    I'd agree but I have never seen someone that said "I did my own research" in this context who is not a nutjob. "I did my own research" in this context deeply implies that there is a conspiracy going on. This disease has been the primary focus of the whole world for the last 1.5 years, all data is publicly available, and is publicly interpreted by countless independent top experts in the field frequently. If you "did your own research" and believe things to be opposite of countless independent experts are saying, you probably believe in a conspiracy around all this - that is nutjob territory to me. If you are researching a very niche, understudied subject, sure. But in contexts like this, you probably won't hear the words "I did my own research" from people who know what they are saying.
thelean12 5y ago
I see a couple different scenarios: 1. Do your own research -> see something concerning -> ask your doctor to verify/interpret -> follow doctor's orders 2. Do your own research -> see something concerning -> accept your research as truth #1 is valid and good. #2 is bad. This has always been the case.
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- thelean12 5y ago
  Someone responded with a good question but then deleted it: Aren't you allowed to disagree with your doctor? Sure, in the sense that you can get second opinions if you're extra concerned about the topic. If you're pregnant or have a blood clotting issue, by all means get a first and second opinion if you're worried about getting the vaccine. But don't think that you are more qualified than medical professionals to understand the risks and side effects (unless of course you are a medical professional).
- caeril 5y ago
  Physicians don't exactly do the research better than you do. They accept the standard line from their decades-old schooling, or CDC bulletins, or hospital administrators as gospel truth, and may occasionally update their priors in a year after attending a conference. In the general case, a physician is obviously better than a patient in terms of being informed. On the margin, however, a well-researched patient will almost always be better informed than a physician accustomed to the average patient. This is particularly relevant to the ~130 IQ HN populace.
  - thelean12 5y ago
    > On the margin, however, a well-researched patient will almost always be better informed than a physician accustomed to the average patient. This is particularly relevant to the ~130 IQ HN populace. It's quite dangerous and egotistical to think that you are in that group, though. When most people think they're a better than average driver, many are bound to be wrong. If you think you're right about something and the doctor is wrong, get a second opinion. Don't assume you know better than a medical professional.