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> Now that Sofa has been acquired by Facebook, the company’s team (ironically enough) will be moving to Palo Alto. But Lee said he doesn’t expect that to affect

> Now that Sofa has been acquired by Facebook, the company’s team (ironically enough) will be moving to Palo Alto. But Lee said he doesn’t expect that to affect on Appsterdam’s future... If the founders don't believe in their own product enough to use it, it's going to fail.

DeusExMachina 15y ago
Sofa contributed, but they are not "the founders" and this is not a "product" at all. Moreover they are moving because they have been acquired, so it has nothing to do with Appsterdam (apart of telling that this city is a fertile ground for good companies). More on the subject on this post: http://mur.mu.rs/?p=156 http://mur.mu.rs/?p=156
- ianterrell 15y ago
  It was just a metaphor, and while imperfect I think it does express some grain of truth (not all of it, naturally).
  - Caballera 15y ago
    I don't think what you said had any sort of truth. Sofa has been purchased by another company, they are moving because they were bought not because they don't believe in Appsterdam.
    - ianterrell 15y ago
      The blog post linked in your grandparent showed that one developer left the company to stay, because they believed in Appsterdam. The implication is that other developers did not. Everyone made a choice here, including the owners of Sofa when they sold.
      - DeusExMachina 15y ago
        No, your logic is wrong, the implication is not that. It simply means that they chose Facebook offer because it made more sense for them, even though they totally believed in the initiative. There is no logic implication that says otherwise and definitely is not in Mike's article, that is just an opinion of yours you are trying to support.
ElDragonRojo 15y ago
You are, if you will pardon the expression, talking out of your ass. I brought Appsterdam to Sofa. I kept Appsterdam when Sofa left. Even if I died tomorrow, Appsterdam would continue. This isn't a product. It's a movement. Its power doesn't come from its founders, it comes from its people, and our people are amazing.
- ianterrell 15y ago
  Well, regardless of how it's framed or the metaphor I used, some of your amazing people just went to Palo Alto. I wish you all the best, even if you do choose to be impolite.
  - boredzo 15y ago
    ElDragonRojo had technical difficulties replying here, so he posted his reply on his blog instead. With his permission, here's what he wanted to tell you here: --- Sorry if I came across as impolite. Like I said, pardon the expression. It may have been inappropriately colorful. All I meant was that you’re talking about things you don’t know anything about. I had the idea for Appsterdam and got things rolling. Sofa wanted to help out, but then they got offered a lot of money to move to the Valley. That’s great for them, and great for us, because that means we’ll have that many more Appsterdammers with Valley experience and investment money. To suggest that their move in anyway represents a lack of faith in Appsterdam is just wrong. They don’t think that. I don’t think that. Nobody thinks that, except for you. It’s also meaningless. Sofa did not found Appsterdam. I did. Sofa did not build Appsterdam, our army of volunteers did. Sofa designed our logo and website, but we get to keep those when they leave. So even if they hated Appsterdam with the fire of a thousand suns, it wouldn’t doom us to failure. It wouldn’t even slow us down. We didn’t get to work together long enough for their leaving to impact us at all. So your premise is wrong, and your conclusion is wrong, because you are working on no knowledge. You made a venomous statement that misrepresents things for no other reason than to be a naysayer. Then, when you got caught by the people whose lives you are actually talking about, you tried to pass it off as a metaphor, even though that makes no sense at all, unless we accept the unlikely conclusion that you don’t actually know what a metaphor is or how to construct one. That’s all I meant. I didn’t mean to be rude. Sorry if I offended.

DeusExMachina 15y ago

Sofa contributed, but they are not "the founders" and this is not a "product" at all. Moreover they are moving because they have been acquired, so it has nothing to do with Appsterdam (apart of telling that this city is a fertile ground for good companies). More on the subject on this post: http://mur.mu.rs/?p=156 http://mur.mu.rs/?p=156

ianterrell 15y ago
It was just a metaphor, and while imperfect I think it does express some grain of truth (not all of it, naturally).
- Caballera 15y ago
  I don't think what you said had any sort of truth. Sofa has been purchased by another company, they are moving because they were bought not because they don't believe in Appsterdam.
  - ianterrell 15y ago
    The blog post linked in your grandparent showed that one developer left the company to stay, because they believed in Appsterdam. The implication is that other developers did not. Everyone made a choice here, including the owners of Sofa when they sold.
    - DeusExMachina 15y ago
      No, your logic is wrong, the implication is not that. It simply means that they chose Facebook offer because it made more sense for them, even though they totally believed in the initiative. There is no logic implication that says otherwise and definitely is not in Mike's article, that is just an opinion of yours you are trying to support.

ElDragonRojo 15y ago

You are, if you will pardon the expression, talking out of your ass. I brought Appsterdam to Sofa. I kept Appsterdam when Sofa left. Even if I died tomorrow, Appsterdam would continue. This isn't a product. It's a movement. Its power doesn't come from its founders, it comes from its people, and our people are amazing.

ianterrell 15y ago
Well, regardless of how it's framed or the metaphor I used, some of your amazing people just went to Palo Alto. I wish you all the best, even if you do choose to be impolite.
- boredzo 15y ago
  ElDragonRojo had technical difficulties replying here, so he posted his reply on his blog instead. With his permission, here's what he wanted to tell you here: --- Sorry if I came across as impolite. Like I said, pardon the expression. It may have been inappropriately colorful. All I meant was that you’re talking about things you don’t know anything about. I had the idea for Appsterdam and got things rolling. Sofa wanted to help out, but then they got offered a lot of money to move to the Valley. That’s great for them, and great for us, because that means we’ll have that many more Appsterdammers with Valley experience and investment money. To suggest that their move in anyway represents a lack of faith in Appsterdam is just wrong. They don’t think that. I don’t think that. Nobody thinks that, except for you. It’s also meaningless. Sofa did not found Appsterdam. I did. Sofa did not build Appsterdam, our army of volunteers did. Sofa designed our logo and website, but we get to keep those when they leave. So even if they hated Appsterdam with the fire of a thousand suns, it wouldn’t doom us to failure. It wouldn’t even slow us down. We didn’t get to work together long enough for their leaving to impact us at all. So your premise is wrong, and your conclusion is wrong, because you are working on no knowledge. You made a venomous statement that misrepresents things for no other reason than to be a naysayer. Then, when you got caught by the people whose lives you are actually talking about, you tried to pass it off as a metaphor, even though that makes no sense at all, unless we accept the unlikely conclusion that you don’t actually know what a metaphor is or how to construct one. That’s all I meant. I didn’t mean to be rude. Sorry if I offended.