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How are menthol cigarettes more harmful than regular ones? The menthol just makes it easier to smoke more. Is that the crux of your argument? I find the “compa

How are menthol cigarettes more harmful than regular ones? The menthol just makes it easier to smoke more. Is that the crux of your argument? I find the “company X is targeting [arbitrary subcategory]” argument to be totally asinine btw. Is Krispy Kreme targeting fat people by offering free donuts for people that get COVID-19 vaccines? Lastly there is nothing more patronizing than telling a black person that you’re preventing them from buying menthol cigarettes for their own good. Man I hate the whole “safety culture” crowd. I find it such an insufferable ideology. But then again I’m explicitly not a collectivist so that’s par for the course.

throwawayboise 5y ago
> Is Krispy Kreme targeting fat people by offering free donuts for people that get COVID-19 vaccines? LOL are they really doing that? That's funny considering that obesity and diabetes are both risk factors for poor COVID-19 outcomes.
- __blockcipher__ 5y ago
  Welcome to the new world ;) https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny.com/amp/free-food-vaccine-deals-for-vaccinated-people-covid-vaccines-budweiser-beer/10544130/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny.com/amp/free-food-vaccin... You actually get a donut per day! The foundation of a healthy diet.
- seriousquestion 5y ago
  Yes, and blue checks on Twitter thought it was great. Meanwhile, 78% of the people hospitalized for Covid-19 are overweight or obese; https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughl...
  - MiddleEndian 5y ago
    >78% of the people hospitalized for Covid-19 are overweight or obese https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm >Percent of adults aged 20 and over with overweight, including obesity: 73.6% (2017-2018) Since COVID targets older people more often, this may match the adult population within these groups, as the population becomes more overweight each year and people get heavier and slightly shorter as they age.
garciasn 5y ago
https://jag.journalagent.com/tkd/pdfs/TKDA_37_4_234_240.pdf https://jag.journalagent.com/tkd/pdfs/TKDA_37_4_234_240.pdf From the paper: Its cooling effect may contribute to the intensity of smoking (deeper inhalation and/or more prolonged breath holding) resulting in greater exposure to tobacco smoke toxins. The effect of menthol through increasing the permeability of cell membranes results in a greater absorption of smoked toxins [2,3] Ahijevych and Garrett[2] reported higher cotinine levels in mentholated cigarettes compared to nonmentholated cigarettes, suggesting greater nicotine absorption per cigarette. Clarke et al.[3] found that mentholated cigarette smoking was associated with higher serum cotinine and carbon monoxide levels per cigarette.
- __blockcipher__ 5y ago
  Thanks for the citation. I should mention I oppose these bans regardless of whether menthol really is or isn’t dangerous, but interesting to know it increases cellular permeability. And seems like a good bit of increased heart/cardiac effects.
rad_gruchalski 5y ago
> How are menthol cigarettes more harmful than regular ones? The menthol just makes it easier to smoke more. Is that the crux of your argument? It gives more pleasure so it hooks you on more. So yes, it’s more harmful, no? When I was smoking cigarettes back in the day, my fav was West Ice. They tasted really good and didn’t have bad aftertaste. It was easier to smoke more and smoke one only for the menthol taste.
Jiocus 5y ago
Menthol enhances nicotine delivery by altering nicotine metabolism. Menthol also interact with nicotine nACh receptors in the brain in various ways[1]. [1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3720998/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3720998/

throwawayboise 5y ago

> Is Krispy Kreme targeting fat people by offering free donuts for people that get COVID-19 vaccines? LOL are they really doing that? That's funny considering that obesity and diabetes are both risk factors for poor COVID-19 outcomes.

__blockcipher__ 5y ago
Welcome to the new world ;) https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny.com/amp/free-food-vaccine-deals-for-vaccinated-people-covid-vaccines-budweiser-beer/10544130/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny.com/amp/free-food-vaccin... You actually get a donut per day! The foundation of a healthy diet.
seriousquestion 5y ago
Yes, and blue checks on Twitter thought it was great. Meanwhile, 78% of the people hospitalized for Covid-19 are overweight or obese; https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughl...
- MiddleEndian 5y ago
  >78% of the people hospitalized for Covid-19 are overweight or obese https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm >Percent of adults aged 20 and over with overweight, including obesity: 73.6% (2017-2018) Since COVID targets older people more often, this may match the adult population within these groups, as the population becomes more overweight each year and people get heavier and slightly shorter as they age.

garciasn 5y ago

https://jag.journalagent.com/tkd/pdfs/TKDA_37_4_234_240.pdf https://jag.journalagent.com/tkd/pdfs/TKDA_37_4_234_240.pdf From the paper: Its cooling effect may contribute to the intensity of smoking (deeper inhalation and/or more prolonged breath holding) resulting in greater exposure to tobacco smoke toxins. The effect of menthol through increasing the permeability of cell membranes results in a greater absorption of smoked toxins [2,3] Ahijevych and Garrett[2] reported higher cotinine levels in mentholated cigarettes compared to nonmentholated cigarettes, suggesting greater nicotine absorption per cigarette. Clarke et al.[3] found that mentholated cigarette smoking was associated with higher serum cotinine and carbon monoxide levels per cigarette.

__blockcipher__ 5y ago
Thanks for the citation. I should mention I oppose these bans regardless of whether menthol really is or isn’t dangerous, but interesting to know it increases cellular permeability. And seems like a good bit of increased heart/cardiac effects.

rad_gruchalski 5y ago

> How are menthol cigarettes more harmful than regular ones? The menthol just makes it easier to smoke more. Is that the crux of your argument? It gives more pleasure so it hooks you on more. So yes, it’s more harmful, no? When I was smoking cigarettes back in the day, my fav was West Ice. They tasted really good and didn’t have bad aftertaste. It was easier to smoke more and smoke one only for the menthol taste.

Jiocus 5y ago

Menthol enhances nicotine delivery by altering nicotine metabolism. Menthol also interact with nicotine nACh receptors in the brain in various ways[1]. [1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3720998/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3720998/