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I get what you're saying, but it's a one-off thing that the guy built especially for his Yaya.

khazhoux 6y ago
Totally get that. My point is that "Even your grandmother can use it" is still a common saying, combining both sexism and agism, and we should stop promoting that notion. To illustrate this, if it was this guy's uncle who was techno-challenged and he named it "Unclegram", probably most people would be scratching their heads. But we see Yayagram and it "makes sense"... because of course grandmothers struggle with technology! See the problem?
- frereubu 6y ago
  Absolutely. I'm very sensitive to that kind of thing because I have a 90-year-old mother who I hate people writing off like that. But unless I missed it he doesn't say "Even your grandmother can use it" in his thread does he? I just feel like you're picking the wrong item to hang this argument from.
  - khazhoux 6y ago
    The inventor was not generalizing, but when it starts moving from his one-off to a product idea (as lots of folks are asking for him to productize it) that where my argument comes in. Most likely this won't be a real product anyway, so I suppose I'm just trying to draw attention to this meme that does happen a lot.
    - frereubu 6y ago
      I see you're getting a bunch of downvotes. I hope I didn't bring those on - I know you're engaging in good faith and I agree with your basic premise. It would make a good blog post if you fancied writing it and posting here.
- abraae 6y ago
  You realise that (typically) an uncle would be one generation younger and thus have decades more exposure to technology, hence "so simple my uncle could use it" doesn't really work. It's hard to hide from the fact that seniors are more likely to struggle with technology. You can't sweep that under a politically correct rug. And if we did, people would be less likely to make things like this, because no-one could talk about them.

Totally get that. My point is that "Even your grandmother can use it" is still a common saying, combining both sexism and agism, and we should stop promoting that notion. To illustrate this, if it was this guy's uncle who was techno-challenged and he named it "Unclegram", probably most people would be scratching their heads. But we see Yayagram and it "makes sense"... because of course grandmothers struggle with technology! See the problem?

frereubu 6y ago
Absolutely. I'm very sensitive to that kind of thing because I have a 90-year-old mother who I hate people writing off like that. But unless I missed it he doesn't say "Even your grandmother can use it" in his thread does he? I just feel like you're picking the wrong item to hang this argument from.
- khazhoux 6y ago
  The inventor was not generalizing, but when it starts moving from his one-off to a product idea (as lots of folks are asking for him to productize it) that where my argument comes in. Most likely this won't be a real product anyway, so I suppose I'm just trying to draw attention to this meme that does happen a lot.
  - frereubu 6y ago
    I see you're getting a bunch of downvotes. I hope I didn't bring those on - I know you're engaging in good faith and I agree with your basic premise. It would make a good blog post if you fancied writing it and posting here.
abraae 6y ago
You realise that (typically) an uncle would be one generation younger and thus have decades more exposure to technology, hence "so simple my uncle could use it" doesn't really work. It's hard to hide from the fact that seniors are more likely to struggle with technology. You can't sweep that under a politically correct rug. And if we did, people would be less likely to make things like this, because no-one could talk about them.