> the health care system almost collapse in Italy, NYC, LA, and now India is still a huge deal. This I can agree with. But our way of dealing with the problem

> the health care system almost collapse in Italy, NYC, LA, and now India is still a huge deal. This I can agree with. But our way of dealing with the problem hasn't solved that going forward whatsoever. Are we going to ignore the fact that NYC has been shutting down hospitals for decades[1]? > Hugely more people are dying this year than do in an average year. Not according to the numbers I've seen. > People died, literally dies in all of these places because they weren't able to get into a hospital. What are the death rates for people in hospitals compared to people dying with covid outside of hospitals? What interventions are hospitals providing to most patients that are conclusively saving their lives? At first, it was ventilators, but that has quietly become not recommend for most patients. I happen to be close friends with someone that worked on the covid floor in a major regional hospital. Most people in the hospital were being treated for pneumonia, some of them were on supplemental oxygen. The hospital was never overrun, only a small portion was dedicated as a covid wing. My friend never contracted covid, nor did anyone else they worked with. 1: https://indypendent.org/2014/04/nycs-vanishing-hospitals/ https://indypendent.org/2014/04/nycs-vanishing-hospitals/