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> I liked some of it at the time -- I have some of the Code Red Adam Beyer stuff on coloured red vinyl somewhere -- but it's a bit soul-less and monolithic. A v

> I liked some of it at the time -- I have some of the Code Red Adam Beyer stuff on coloured red vinyl somewhere -- but it's a bit soul-less and monolithic. A very white middle class European straightlaced "thump thump thump" interpretation of the genre. I've got a couple of those records and I can tell you that Adam Beyer and Drumcode still sound like that today, they've really nailed that "far duller than it sounds" sub-genre of techno. > The stuff from Europe in the late 90s and early 2000s that I loved the most that got left out of the "techno history" was the "No Future" / Scandinavian Records school -- Neil Landstrumm, Cristian Vogel, Dave Tarrida, etc. really wonky wonk stuff, very creative. That's what I was playing back then. I managed to see Landstrumm play two days before the start of lockdown last March as part of the 20 Years of Don't evening at the Bangface Weekender, how's that for good timing? :) https://bangface.com/weekender2020/lineup/ https://bangface.com/weekender2020/lineup/ I was going out to a lot of squat parties that played it in the 00s when there was tons of it coming out of London from labels like Don't, Yolk, Chancer, Victim and 4x4 Recordings, and also went to Jerome Hill's Uglyfunk night regularly (it's still going in fact but I've not made it there recently). Mark Hawkins was probably my favourite producer followed by Jerome Hill and Michael Forshaw.

cmrdporcupine 5y ago
Nice man. I've only managed to see Landstrumm twice, cuz of being on this side of the pond. Once in the early 2000s he DJ'd along with DJ Hell at a local club, and actually he was quite competent on the vinyl (more than Hell was) and he played a lot of Chicago and Detroit classics. It was a good night if I recall. The other time was actually very recent (2019), someone I know locally knows him personally and brought him over into my local small Ontario city to play live. Small gig, maybe 50 people there. Even got to shake his hand and say hi. Def. one of my favourite musicians in the genre.
- spiralx 5y ago
  I also saw him as Crystal Distortion back in the mid-00s at Uglyfunk and as himself in the early 10s, so that's only one more time than you :) I'm a big fan of Detroit ghetto-tech like DJ Godfather, and have a similar problem of it only existing on the other side of the Atlantic... The weekender I mentioned has had at least one of the top DJs over every other year or so over the last decade which is amazing, because otherwise I've been out to see it played three times in the past two decades, so I feel your pain :)
  - cmrdporcupine 5y ago
    I believe I saw Godfather and some others in that vein at the first Detroit Electronic Music Festival back in 2000. Maybe in 2001. Sweet little Canadian me was ... shocked ... by the way people uh, danced to that stuff.
    - spiralx 5y ago
      Hah, I bet, watching people dancing to it in Boiler Room videos is different enough from what I'm used to, and that's got to be a lot tamer than you'd see somewhere without cameras filming the entire thing! The first time I saw this clip it was amazing how distant it was from everything I've experienced since going to my first club in 1995 - and the video is from closer to 1995 than 1995 is to today! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EarSRa19sZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EarSRa19sZc I've seen Model 500 and wasn't impressed to be honest, but then again electro isn't my thing at all so that's more about me lol, my friends enjoyed it a lot :)
      - cmrdporcupine 5y ago
        Electro was my thing back then. But I think I'd tire of a whole gig of just Model 500. The DEMF dancefloor vibe while the booty stuff was playing was... raunchy. Like full on grinding, ass rubbing, etc. Didn't see that stuff at clubs here. The rave/club/techno scene back then here was pretty androgynous and public displays of affection would have been very gauche. Not so in Detroit at certain gigs
        spiralx 5y ago
        First time I saw DJ Godfather they had DJ Stingray play before him and I enjoyed that style of modern harder electro a lot more, if only because the production was so much better :) The scene here was neither androgynous nor restrained in the public displaying of affection - but overtly sexual displays were very much in the minority and stood out, probably because British people loved being able to shed our passively-aggressive polite and emotionally stunted personas for an evening by consuming large amounts of pills and just wanting to dance and hug people ;) I've seen some full-on stuff at squat parties though. Ecstasy and alcohol can make people completely lose their inhibitions lol.

cmrdporcupine 5y ago

Nice man. I've only managed to see Landstrumm twice, cuz of being on this side of the pond. Once in the early 2000s he DJ'd along with DJ Hell at a local club, and actually he was quite competent on the vinyl (more than Hell was) and he played a lot of Chicago and Detroit classics. It was a good night if I recall. The other time was actually very recent (2019), someone I know locally knows him personally and brought him over into my local small Ontario city to play live. Small gig, maybe 50 people there. Even got to shake his hand and say hi. Def. one of my favourite musicians in the genre.

spiralx 5y ago
I also saw him as Crystal Distortion back in the mid-00s at Uglyfunk and as himself in the early 10s, so that's only one more time than you :) I'm a big fan of Detroit ghetto-tech like DJ Godfather, and have a similar problem of it only existing on the other side of the Atlantic... The weekender I mentioned has had at least one of the top DJs over every other year or so over the last decade which is amazing, because otherwise I've been out to see it played three times in the past two decades, so I feel your pain :)
- cmrdporcupine 5y ago
  I believe I saw Godfather and some others in that vein at the first Detroit Electronic Music Festival back in 2000. Maybe in 2001. Sweet little Canadian me was ... shocked ... by the way people uh, danced to that stuff.
  - spiralx 5y ago
    Hah, I bet, watching people dancing to it in Boiler Room videos is different enough from what I'm used to, and that's got to be a lot tamer than you'd see somewhere without cameras filming the entire thing! The first time I saw this clip it was amazing how distant it was from everything I've experienced since going to my first club in 1995 - and the video is from closer to 1995 than 1995 is to today! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EarSRa19sZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EarSRa19sZc I've seen Model 500 and wasn't impressed to be honest, but then again electro isn't my thing at all so that's more about me lol, my friends enjoyed it a lot :)
    - cmrdporcupine 5y ago
      Electro was my thing back then. But I think I'd tire of a whole gig of just Model 500. The DEMF dancefloor vibe while the booty stuff was playing was... raunchy. Like full on grinding, ass rubbing, etc. Didn't see that stuff at clubs here. The rave/club/techno scene back then here was pretty androgynous and public displays of affection would have been very gauche. Not so in Detroit at certain gigs
      - spiralx 5y ago
        First time I saw DJ Godfather they had DJ Stingray play before him and I enjoyed that style of modern harder electro a lot more, if only because the production was so much better :) The scene here was neither androgynous nor restrained in the public displaying of affection - but overtly sexual displays were very much in the minority and stood out, probably because British people loved being able to shed our passively-aggressive polite and emotionally stunted personas for an evening by consuming large amounts of pills and just wanting to dance and hug people ;) I've seen some full-on stuff at squat parties though. Ecstasy and alcohol can make people completely lose their inhibitions lol.