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> shut everything down and people get the message that this is serious the Pajama Class say this and then wonder why their "messaging" doesn't go over well wit

> shut everything down and people get the message that this is serious the Pajama Class say this and then wonder why their "messaging" doesn't go over well with anyone who's not able to log into zoom and chat it up with their comfortable, salaried, urban-elitist compatriots

Retric 5y ago
I am sorry that reality doesn’t line up with your preconceived notions so you feel the need to lash out with name calling etc. Consider sitting, back taking a deep breath, and then stepping away from the computer to do something you enjoy.
- xxxxxxx12 5y ago
  > reality doesn’t line up with your preconceived notions I'm claiming this precise thing, that you're arrogantly presuming that everyone can just hole up in their house like the elite class of people who do nothing but berate the (almost always) lower class people who do not have the privilege to stay home.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    > that you're arrogantly presuming that everyone Gp didn't claim that. You're putting words in their mouth and lashing out for things they never said. A reasonable interpretation of their claims is that even if not everyone can hole up, government policies that are intense encourage everyone to hole up as much as they can. It's also worth mentioning that many, many working class people did not enjoy the fact that they had to take on risk in order to survive. Pretending everything is fine simply offloads even more risk onto those people.
    - xxxxxxx12 5y ago
      You do realize that normative claims like "they ought", "government should", etc. are precisely the faculty-lounge, haughty idealism, that's worth absolutely nothing to people as they are, spoken from a position of privilege, condescension and fake expertise? Notice how teachers act as though they're above everyone else? Refusing to work, whereas normal people that aren't of means largely kept working, and didn't act like paranoid agoraphobes exaggerating their actual risk? It's no secret that most people overestimate their risk by an order(if not multiple) of magnitude.
      - joshuamorton 5y ago
        This has nothing to do with what I or the other poster said. I'll reiterate that many people who were forced to work were not happy about that fact. You're somewhere between pretending those people don't exist and claiming that those lower class people who didn't want to work but had to are also morally bankrupt. It's neither coherent nor respectful of those you claim to be defending.
        xxxxxxx12 5y ago
        Per your bio, you work at Google. You're divorced from the experience of struggling people.
        haswell 5y ago
        That is an extremely presumptuous statement to make. You know nothing of their background, upbringing, path to where they are today. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish in this thread anymore, but it certainly is not constructive.
        xxxxxxx12 5y ago
        > That is an extremely presumptuous statement to make. No, especially in the context of the pandemic, it's easy to start talking about pandemic policy as though "everyone should just do X" where X is something extremely convenient, profitable, even pleasant for tech workers and other white collar jobs.
        Retric 5y ago
        You say that yet his statements directly line up with what a friend working in a grocery store said. I don’t know if you’ve ever actually talked with anyone working in Amazon’s warehouse, but I can tell you it’s a very hard job that’s better paying than most people working there can get elsewhere. Some felt it was important, many of others actually quit over COVID. On the other hand pointlessly attacking people just makes you seem foolish.

Retric 5y ago

I am sorry that reality doesn’t line up with your preconceived notions so you feel the need to lash out with name calling etc. Consider sitting, back taking a deep breath, and then stepping away from the computer to do something you enjoy.

xxxxxxx12 5y ago
> reality doesn’t line up with your preconceived notions I'm claiming this precise thing, that you're arrogantly presuming that everyone can just hole up in their house like the elite class of people who do nothing but berate the (almost always) lower class people who do not have the privilege to stay home.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  > that you're arrogantly presuming that everyone Gp didn't claim that. You're putting words in their mouth and lashing out for things they never said. A reasonable interpretation of their claims is that even if not everyone can hole up, government policies that are intense encourage everyone to hole up as much as they can. It's also worth mentioning that many, many working class people did not enjoy the fact that they had to take on risk in order to survive. Pretending everything is fine simply offloads even more risk onto those people.
  - xxxxxxx12 5y ago
    You do realize that normative claims like "they ought", "government should", etc. are precisely the faculty-lounge, haughty idealism, that's worth absolutely nothing to people as they are, spoken from a position of privilege, condescension and fake expertise? Notice how teachers act as though they're above everyone else? Refusing to work, whereas normal people that aren't of means largely kept working, and didn't act like paranoid agoraphobes exaggerating their actual risk? It's no secret that most people overestimate their risk by an order(if not multiple) of magnitude.
    - joshuamorton 5y ago
      This has nothing to do with what I or the other poster said. I'll reiterate that many people who were forced to work were not happy about that fact. You're somewhere between pretending those people don't exist and claiming that those lower class people who didn't want to work but had to are also morally bankrupt. It's neither coherent nor respectful of those you claim to be defending.
      - xxxxxxx12 5y ago
        Per your bio, you work at Google. You're divorced from the experience of struggling people.
        haswell 5y ago
        That is an extremely presumptuous statement to make. You know nothing of their background, upbringing, path to where they are today. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish in this thread anymore, but it certainly is not constructive.
        xxxxxxx12 5y ago
        > That is an extremely presumptuous statement to make. No, especially in the context of the pandemic, it's easy to start talking about pandemic policy as though "everyone should just do X" where X is something extremely convenient, profitable, even pleasant for tech workers and other white collar jobs.
        Retric 5y ago
        You say that yet his statements directly line up with what a friend working in a grocery store said. I don’t know if you’ve ever actually talked with anyone working in Amazon’s warehouse, but I can tell you it’s a very hard job that’s better paying than most people working there can get elsewhere. Some felt it was important, many of others actually quit over COVID. On the other hand pointlessly attacking people just makes you seem foolish.