> I can't wrap my head around environmentalists. If they really understand that anything we do perturbs the environment--and it does--, why are they not openly

> I can't wrap my head around environmentalists. If they really understand that anything we do perturbs the environment--and it does--, why are they not openly advocating for I think the reason you can't wrap your head around them is because, with possibly a few individual exceptions, 'any human effect on the environment at all' isn't actually what they're opposed to.