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The question is why those careers earn less money. Your assertion is that the careers men choose are more dangerous, so those careers earn more. My question is,

by rovolo 5y ago

The question is why those careers earn less money. Your assertion is that the careers men choose are more dangerous, so those careers earn more. My question is, are dangerous careers well paid? Here are the totals for occupational deaths: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t03.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t03.htm ~25% for Transportation and material moving occupations ~20% for Construction ~10% for Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations ~1.5% for Business, Finance, Computers, Math, Engineering, and Legal

giantg2 5y ago
I believe all the ones you listed would fall above the median salary of about $50k.
- rovolo 5y ago
  My point wasn't that all the specified careers were above the median salary, my point was that the most dangerous jobs don't seem to be the best paid jobs. The original question was > But then why do those careers earn less money? and the follow up was > If, by being a man, you are 10x more likely to die from your job, and you are 10x more likely to die younger, should society compensate for your fewer hours lived? which I tried to answer with looking at which jobs killed more people. It doesn't look to me like the big money is in jobs which kill more people https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceseeb3a.htm https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceseeb3a.htm ----- Transportation: $25.71/hr ~= $51k/yr Construction: $32.24/hr ~= $64k/yr Repair and Maintenance: $25.26/hr ~= $51k/yr ------ Professional and Business: $35.82/hr ~= $71k/yr Financial: $39.67/hr ~= $79k/yr Computer systems design and related services: $50.60/hr ~= $101k/yr Legal services: $46.34/hr ~= $93k/yr ------- That said, I think the commenter I was responding to was trying to change the subject > If no, why would society decide to undervalue males? Regardless of the answer to their question, the topic would then be on-the-job deaths instead of the gender wage gap. I chose to answer the part of the question relevant to the gender wage gap.
  - alchemst 5y ago
    You need to compare jobs you can get with same qualifications, of course. That's why we don't compare surgeons with janitors. Of course, most gender pay gap comparison do in fact compare surgeons with kindergarten teachers, but that seems done intentionally to mislead.

by rovolo 5y ago

giantg2 5y ago

I believe all the ones you listed would fall above the median salary of about $50k.

rovolo 5y ago
My point wasn't that all the specified careers were above the median salary, my point was that the most dangerous jobs don't seem to be the best paid jobs. The original question was > But then why do those careers earn less money? and the follow up was > If, by being a man, you are 10x more likely to die from your job, and you are 10x more likely to die younger, should society compensate for your fewer hours lived? which I tried to answer with looking at which jobs killed more people. It doesn't look to me like the big money is in jobs which kill more people https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceseeb3a.htm https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceseeb3a.htm ----- Transportation: $25.71/hr ~= $51k/yr Construction: $32.24/hr ~= $64k/yr Repair and Maintenance: $25.26/hr ~= $51k/yr ------ Professional and Business: $35.82/hr ~= $71k/yr Financial: $39.67/hr ~= $79k/yr Computer systems design and related services: $50.60/hr ~= $101k/yr Legal services: $46.34/hr ~= $93k/yr ------- That said, I think the commenter I was responding to was trying to change the subject > If no, why would society decide to undervalue males? Regardless of the answer to their question, the topic would then be on-the-job deaths instead of the gender wage gap. I chose to answer the part of the question relevant to the gender wage gap.
- alchemst 5y ago
  You need to compare jobs you can get with same qualifications, of course. That's why we don't compare surgeons with janitors. Of course, most gender pay gap comparison do in fact compare surgeons with kindergarten teachers, but that seems done intentionally to mislead.