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I think you are a little biased by having a vehicle (the Bolt) that can't do more than about 55kw. There are more DCFC for CCS, but most are limited to ~50kw or

by jsight 5y ago

I think you are a little biased by having a vehicle (the Bolt) that can't do more than about 55kw. There are more DCFC for CCS, but most are limited to ~50kw or less with most vehicles. The only comparable network to Tesla is EA and they hope to be about 3/4s the size of Tesla's network by early 2022.

cptskippy 5y ago
Is that in Europe? I didn't think CCS was very strong in the US, most charger are J1772.
- jsight 5y ago
  No, the US has a large number of CCS combo 1 chargers. Its just that most are only 60kw or less, and will only do about 45kw on most cars due to amperage limitations. The big exception is Electrify America, which has about 600 sites now. Its good enough for many right now, though it isn't as deep or reliable as the Tesla Supercharger network.
  - cptskippy 5y ago
    It looks like the number of CCS Combo chargers is in the thousands in the US, somewhere just above CHademo. By comparison the J1772 chargers numbers in the many tens of thousands.
    - jsight 5y ago
      That is correct. It would be almost 1:1 between CCS and CHAdeMO, but Electrify America only includes a single CHAdeMO cable per station. Most other networks are 1:1. Tesla supercharger coverage is pretty good with just over 1000 sites. EA coverage is actually pretty good too with just 600 sites. The # of sites needed for L3 in the short term isn't really that high. The number of plugs is important. I think EA averages 6 plugs per site, and Tesla is a little over 8 per site, with most new sites being 8 stall setups.
      - cptskippy 5y ago
        There's not much point in deploying CHAdeMO at this point, Nissan is pretty much the only one using it and it's mostly useless IMO as a Leaf owner. Sure it can charge the car faster but it's also bad for it and will quickly degrade the battery because there's no active cooling of the pack. I would like to see Tesla transition to CCS in the US but that's going to be a hard sell without legislation.
rootusrootus 5y ago
The chargers we go to in the Bolt are almost all 150 kW chargers. Yes I wish the Bolt could use all of it. No the 45 minute wait isn't really a deal killer. It still took a half hour in my Tesla even though it peaked out at 1000 mi/hr for the first bit of charging. In my opinion, 99% of everyone worries far too much about the road trip use case and completely overlooks that most people will do almost all of their charging at home.

by jsight 5y ago

cptskippy 5y ago

Is that in Europe? I didn't think CCS was very strong in the US, most charger are J1772.

jsight 5y ago
No, the US has a large number of CCS combo 1 chargers. Its just that most are only 60kw or less, and will only do about 45kw on most cars due to amperage limitations. The big exception is Electrify America, which has about 600 sites now. Its good enough for many right now, though it isn't as deep or reliable as the Tesla Supercharger network.
- cptskippy 5y ago
  It looks like the number of CCS Combo chargers is in the thousands in the US, somewhere just above CHademo. By comparison the J1772 chargers numbers in the many tens of thousands.
  - jsight 5y ago
    That is correct. It would be almost 1:1 between CCS and CHAdeMO, but Electrify America only includes a single CHAdeMO cable per station. Most other networks are 1:1. Tesla supercharger coverage is pretty good with just over 1000 sites. EA coverage is actually pretty good too with just 600 sites. The # of sites needed for L3 in the short term isn't really that high. The number of plugs is important. I think EA averages 6 plugs per site, and Tesla is a little over 8 per site, with most new sites being 8 stall setups.
    - cptskippy 5y ago
      There's not much point in deploying CHAdeMO at this point, Nissan is pretty much the only one using it and it's mostly useless IMO as a Leaf owner. Sure it can charge the car faster but it's also bad for it and will quickly degrade the battery because there's no active cooling of the pack. I would like to see Tesla transition to CCS in the US but that's going to be a hard sell without legislation.

rootusrootus 5y ago

The chargers we go to in the Bolt are almost all 150 kW chargers. Yes I wish the Bolt could use all of it. No the 45 minute wait isn't really a deal killer. It still took a half hour in my Tesla even though it peaked out at 1000 mi/hr for the first bit of charging. In my opinion, 99% of everyone worries far too much about the road trip use case and completely overlooks that most people will do almost all of their charging at home.