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If the university doesn't review research methodologies that directly impact others (I'm not talking about societal impact of the work down the line), then they
by sidr 5y ago
If the university doesn't review research methodologies that directly impact others (I'm not talking about societal impact of the work down the line), then they should be considered bad-faith actors. This is the equivalent of punishing a university for not having an IRB for human experiments .
I assume individual members from UMN may still contribute without a UMN address. They just won't be given any special consideration (implicit or explicit) as belonging to a particular organization.
- detaro 5y agoBy that standard, basically no university meets your threshold. (in other places the IRB might have decided differently, but also that's not extremely likely) Researchers are just not monitored that closely usually.
- hn8788 5y agoThey'd already complained to UMN about the research, and nothing was done about it. It wasn't just the IRB that allowed it to continue.
- detaro 5y agoIs that the case? I hadn't seen anything conclusive that that actually had happened? (some people said the contacted the IRB, but presumably that was part of what triggered the IRB to look at it) But looking into this and clearly documenting it is part of what UMN needs to do.
- hn8788 5y agoIn the most recent email chain where they banned UMN, GKH said that they were going to have to complain to the university again. From what I understand, the IRB review was initiated by the researchers themselves after receiving backlash from the original paper.
- cycomanic 5y agoWhat do you mean continued it. The research of submitting buggy patches had ended already (they even had a draft paper). The whole row started because one of the researchers submitted a patches from a (not very good apparently) in progress static analysis tool. The bad quality of the patch led to GKH accusing the submitter that they are continuing. As the article states this was not the case.
- HarryHirsch 5y agoBut researchers don't operate within a vacuum, research is a social effort. The faculty member and the graduate student who dreamt up this line of research have discussed it with others and they all thought it was a splendid idea.
- jldugger 5y ago>By that standard, basically no university meets your threshold. The question then, is what to do about this much larger scale problem, not to simply assert the premise is wrong.