I personally find the "uncanny valley" of those too close to home; they're like programming, but without all the normal tools for programming because they're in

I personally find the "uncanny valley" of those too close to home; they're like programming, but without all the normal tools for programming because they're in a game which almost by definition has arbitrary rules and limitations. When I started longing for unit tests in Spacechem, that was the end of it for me I'm glad I own all the ones you mentioned, and maybe I'll revisit them in the future, but I didn't find them fulfilling in the same way Factorio and DSP are