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“fixing” that “problem” would involve somehow convincing many women to enter a career field in which they have no interest. How do you propose to force them to

“fixing” that “problem” would involve somehow convincing many women to enter a career field in which they have no interest. How do you propose to force them to change their desires?

edenhyacinth 5y ago
That argument assumes women aren't interested in those roles, and that their disinterest is the only or primary thing that causes an imbalance. You have to know that isn't true, which makes this a great example of why people are frustrated about discussing anything 'political' in the workplace.
- giantg2 5y ago
  Do you have some data to support your assumption that they do want to be in those roles in higher numbers that they are already?
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- alchemst 5y ago
  Why on earth would you say "you have to know this isn't true"? If you see similar patterns across many different cultures, including ones considered to be more gender-egalitarian, I would have honestly thought the conclusion would be, in fact, varying interests. Or do you think there are no biological differences (on average) between men and women, in which case, I can provide you with large, multi-national studies that come to a different conclusion. I can see how there could be debate about how much the difference is, and what the causes of it are, but "you have to know that isn't true" seems like saying "Come on, everyone knows the world is flat, stop arguing in bad faith".
- someguydave 5y ago
  >You have to know that isn't true I know it is true, by looking at empirical data. Can you cite data that support your conclusion?
creata 5y ago
> would involve somehow convincing many women to enter a career field in which they have no interest This is a blatant non sequitur. Counterexample: It's hard in many places to be a male schoolteacher, because men are seen by parents and other staff as potential predators, to the point where some people won't even trust a man to change their kid's diapers. Men have said that this is a big reason they don't want to become schoolteachers, so if we help change public opinion on this front, then we've ostensibly lessened a gender imbalance without "forcing" any men to "change their desires."

“fixing” that “problem” would involve somehow convincing many women to enter a career field in which they have no interest. How do you propose to force them to change their desires?

edenhyacinth 5y ago

That argument assumes women aren't interested in those roles, and that their disinterest is the only or primary thing that causes an imbalance. You have to know that isn't true, which makes this a great example of why people are frustrated about discussing anything 'political' in the workplace.

giantg2 5y ago
Do you have some data to support your assumption that they do want to be in those roles in higher numbers that they are already?
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alchemst 5y ago
Why on earth would you say "you have to know this isn't true"? If you see similar patterns across many different cultures, including ones considered to be more gender-egalitarian, I would have honestly thought the conclusion would be, in fact, varying interests. Or do you think there are no biological differences (on average) between men and women, in which case, I can provide you with large, multi-national studies that come to a different conclusion. I can see how there could be debate about how much the difference is, and what the causes of it are, but "you have to know that isn't true" seems like saying "Come on, everyone knows the world is flat, stop arguing in bad faith".
someguydave 5y ago
>You have to know that isn't true I know it is true, by looking at empirical data. Can you cite data that support your conclusion?

creata 5y ago

> would involve somehow convincing many women to enter a career field in which they have no interest This is a blatant non sequitur. Counterexample: It's hard in many places to be a male schoolteacher, because men are seen by parents and other staff as potential predators, to the point where some people won't even trust a man to change their kid's diapers. Men have said that this is a big reason they don't want to become schoolteachers, so if we help change public opinion on this front, then we've ostensibly lessened a gender imbalance without "forcing" any men to "change their desires."