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Exactly, I want to go visit the Deep Creek Mountains in western Utah, and I've heard that bringing your own gasoline is a good idea because of just how far the

Exactly, I want to go visit the Deep Creek Mountains in western Utah, and I've heard that bringing your own gasoline is a good idea because of just how far the Deep Creeks are from a gas station or civilization for that matter. I love exploring the deserts of Utah, and that just wouldn't be possible with current electric vehicles.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
Absolutely, but the vast majority of drivers will never desire to or do this. This is like asking how to tow the Space Shuttle with your pickup truck. It can be done (Toyota did it with a Tundra pickup for marketing), but no one is selling into a market to do so. You’re better off outfitting a used 4x4 for overlanding (as @grecy did [1]). [1] http://theroadchoseme.com/the-jeep http://theroadchoseme.com/the-jeep
- 2trill2spill 5y ago
  > This is like asking how to tow the Space Shuttle with your pickup truck. It can be done (Toyota did it with a Tundra pickup for marketing), but no one is selling into a market to do so. Sorry but that's a ridiculous comparison, I just want to be able to drive to places my current gasoline vehicle can travel to, but in an electric car. Also there are large numbers of people out west camping, climbing, skiing, etc on all sorts of remote backcountry roads far from services. Its the reason many of us live out here.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    How many vehicles a year do you think get sold to folks who are going to be so far off the grid, they might consider jerrycans for fuel security? 10k? 20k? 17 million new cars a year are sold, for comparison. I admit you adventurous folks exist (and commend your wild spirit), just not in sufficient quantity to sell vehicles at volume, considering the average American light vehicle use case (a few road trips a year, ~40 mile daily round trip commutes).
    - 2trill2spill 5y ago
      I think your looking at this all wrong. Why would I or any other person spend $30,000 - $50,000 on a vehicle that is less capable then the vehicle I currently own? I cant charge at my apartment so I'm totally dependent on charging infrastructure, which is slower, has less locations and has compatibility issues that gas stations do not have. Even if most Americans dont use the full capabilities of their ICE car, why would they pay more for a less capable EV?
      - toomuchtodo 5y ago
        If new gas vehicles are banned, it’s not much of a choice. Several states have new combustion vehicles bans (between 2030-2035), and more are expected to follow. I’m looking at it from the perspective of what options are left, based on the legislation I mention.
        2trill2spill 5y ago
        I'm assuming the charging infrastructure, and electric vehicles in general around 2030 - 2035 to be way better and not suffer from these issues I mentioned above. I just think right now EVs are unpractical for people who don't live in their own house and people who travel long distances or into very remote areas.
jsight 5y ago
Do they have RV parks out there? Because if they will allow you to use them, most of those are suitable for overnight charging. I'm not familiar enough with the routes and distances involved to know, but it'd be interesting to see some of the specific locations you are thinking of?
- 2trill2spill 5y ago
  In the deep creeks there's nothing, no RV parks or anything for that matter, but that is a pretty extreme location to get to. But every other place I've been to in western Utah for climbing, hiking, camping is also quite remote, not as extreme as the Deep creeks, but they all involve driving down horrendous 4x4 roads with no services let alone charging for miles. Here's some of the climbing areas I'm talking about[1]. Although most areas are not written down as that is the local tradition. [1]: https://www.mountainproject.com/area/112409907/west-desert https://www.mountainproject.com/area/112409907/west-desert
  - jsight 5y ago
    Hmm, seems like the closest high speed charging is Fillmore, UT, about 60-70 miles away? Obviously, I don't know of any current EVs that would be suitable for those kinds of 4x4 roads, but it seems like it isn't impossible from an infrastructure standpoint. TBH, part of me thinks that in the long run getting electricity near places like this will actually be easier than getting gasoline there.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

Absolutely, but the vast majority of drivers will never desire to or do this. This is like asking how to tow the Space Shuttle with your pickup truck. It can be done (Toyota did it with a Tundra pickup for marketing), but no one is selling into a market to do so. You’re better off outfitting a used 4x4 for overlanding (as @grecy did [1]). [1] http://theroadchoseme.com/the-jeep http://theroadchoseme.com/the-jeep

2trill2spill 5y ago
> This is like asking how to tow the Space Shuttle with your pickup truck. It can be done (Toyota did it with a Tundra pickup for marketing), but no one is selling into a market to do so. Sorry but that's a ridiculous comparison, I just want to be able to drive to places my current gasoline vehicle can travel to, but in an electric car. Also there are large numbers of people out west camping, climbing, skiing, etc on all sorts of remote backcountry roads far from services. Its the reason many of us live out here.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  How many vehicles a year do you think get sold to folks who are going to be so far off the grid, they might consider jerrycans for fuel security? 10k? 20k? 17 million new cars a year are sold, for comparison. I admit you adventurous folks exist (and commend your wild spirit), just not in sufficient quantity to sell vehicles at volume, considering the average American light vehicle use case (a few road trips a year, ~40 mile daily round trip commutes).
  - 2trill2spill 5y ago
    I think your looking at this all wrong. Why would I or any other person spend $30,000 - $50,000 on a vehicle that is less capable then the vehicle I currently own? I cant charge at my apartment so I'm totally dependent on charging infrastructure, which is slower, has less locations and has compatibility issues that gas stations do not have. Even if most Americans dont use the full capabilities of their ICE car, why would they pay more for a less capable EV?
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      If new gas vehicles are banned, it’s not much of a choice. Several states have new combustion vehicles bans (between 2030-2035), and more are expected to follow. I’m looking at it from the perspective of what options are left, based on the legislation I mention.
      - 2trill2spill 5y ago
        I'm assuming the charging infrastructure, and electric vehicles in general around 2030 - 2035 to be way better and not suffer from these issues I mentioned above. I just think right now EVs are unpractical for people who don't live in their own house and people who travel long distances or into very remote areas.

jsight 5y ago

Do they have RV parks out there? Because if they will allow you to use them, most of those are suitable for overnight charging. I'm not familiar enough with the routes and distances involved to know, but it'd be interesting to see some of the specific locations you are thinking of?

2trill2spill 5y ago
In the deep creeks there's nothing, no RV parks or anything for that matter, but that is a pretty extreme location to get to. But every other place I've been to in western Utah for climbing, hiking, camping is also quite remote, not as extreme as the Deep creeks, but they all involve driving down horrendous 4x4 roads with no services let alone charging for miles. Here's some of the climbing areas I'm talking about[1]. Although most areas are not written down as that is the local tradition. [1]: https://www.mountainproject.com/area/112409907/west-desert https://www.mountainproject.com/area/112409907/west-desert
- jsight 5y ago
  Hmm, seems like the closest high speed charging is Fillmore, UT, about 60-70 miles away? Obviously, I don't know of any current EVs that would be suitable for those kinds of 4x4 roads, but it seems like it isn't impossible from an infrastructure standpoint. TBH, part of me thinks that in the long run getting electricity near places like this will actually be easier than getting gasoline there.