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I’m impartial to the 30%, but I don’t want Apple to allow payments to be done via other vendors other than Apple. I trust Apple with my credit card, but I don’t

I’m impartial to the 30%, but I don’t want Apple to allow payments to be done via other vendors other than Apple. I trust Apple with my credit card, but I don’t trust epic. My biggest fear, although I don’t think it will ever happen, is apple being forced to support other stores on iPhone, and someone like Facebook moves their app over due to it allowing them to farm data, or games moving over using their own credit card provider and not knowing where my details are going.

pydry 6y ago
I don't think anybody would have a problem with forcing vendors to allow the use of Apple Store payment as an option. I'm impartial to having a variety of payment options, some more expensive and theoretically trusted than others.
- will4274 6y ago
  And this is what Apple already does, e.g. with federated identity - you must offer AppleID, you can offer others as well. A scheme like this enables iOS users without being anti competitive.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  As soon as Apple allows multiple app stores, it's going to be the same crappy situation as we have on PCs: Every goddamned software developer is going to insist on having its own app store. Want an Adobe product? You have to install Adobe's store. Want an Epic product? Epic's store. Want Minecraft? Microsoft store. You'll end up with all these crappy little stores all over your device. Then you'll have store exclusives, and you'll need to search through dozens of stores whenever you want to find something. Yuck!
  - pydry 6y ago
    I doubt that these companies will introduce that level of friction without good reason. Assuming a competitive market the number of app stores and their markup should dwindle. It's not like we are overwhelmed with app stores on Android.
horsawlarway 6y ago
You've been suckered into the fear mongering, unfortunately. You already don't have any freaking clue where your credit information is being sold - I promise you it's being sold by your bank (Various "affiliated" 3rd parties pay the bank money for it). It's also being sold by most point of sale companies. Apple is also using that data for its own ad sales. Apple is also using your purchasing data to put small dev shops out of business - They intentionally target apps that they see making money through their payment systems, copy them, and then place their own software at the top of the store results. Very convenient for them. Apple is also tracking when and where you use your apps (don't worry - All in the name of security [fucking /s]). Your biggest fear shouldn't be having to think for a second before handing over your credit card. Your biggest fear should be that you've literally given the richest company in the world full control of your decision making processes, because they happen to be excellent at marketing themselves. Google was that company 15-20 years ago, and look at how well that's working out for all the folks who are slowly trying to move away from that ecosystem now that it's become apparent that no benevolent dictatorship ever lasts - regardless of how great it is at the moment.
- philliphaydon 6y ago
  I’m less worried about my credit card purchasing history being sold and more worried about the cc info being intercepted and stolen. But if I’m going to share my info with someone, I would rather it be Apple than the likes of Google, epic, or some random app that’s allowed to take payments using whatever they want.
  - horsawlarway 6y ago
    Statistically speaking, that's a low percentage of card theft. You're much more likely to have your card information stolen at a physical, point of sale location - Restaurant, gas station, clothing store, etc. If this is really a concern you have, a disposable credit card is a much more reliable way to prevent unauthorized charges. > But if I’m going to share my info with someone, I would rather it be Apple than the likes of Google, epic, or some random app that’s allowed to take payments using whatever they want. You're already sharing this info with all of these folks, plus many, many, many more. This is what I mean when I say your bank is selling that data to affiliated parties. Basically - what makes you think this information is private? Apple has it and uses it to make money. Your bank has it and uses it to make money. Apple happens to be large enough and enough of a monopoly that they can generate money from that information without directly selling it (at the moment, in some places). But they're doing the same thing - Profiling you to make money. The second Apple thinks it will make more money by selling that information, they will. Not to mention it's a tad on the late side, since your bank is already sharing it everywhere.
mywittyname 6y ago
My biggest fear if Apple wins, which I do think will happen, is that general purpose computing will be eliminated. Apple will use their victory to lock down OSX in the same way that IOS has been. So no applications can be installed in OSX without going through the App Store. Then Microsoft will follow suit; future versions of Windows will be MS Store Only unless you pay for an Enterprise license. This could potentially extend to the web as well. Apple already forces any web browser on IOS to use Safari underneath. So there's the potential that Apple could eliminate features from websites, such as the ability to play video, unless those sites pass the strict criteria enforced on native apps from the App Store.
- theluketaylor 6y ago
  The M1 should be a very strong signal Apple has no intention of taking away general purpose execution. M1 Macs could have easily been as locked as iOS devices, but Apple specifically went out of their way to let device owners load unsigned operating systems if that was something they want to opt in to.

pydry 6y ago

I don't think anybody would have a problem with forcing vendors to allow the use of Apple Store payment as an option. I'm impartial to having a variety of payment options, some more expensive and theoretically trusted than others.

will4274 6y ago
And this is what Apple already does, e.g. with federated identity - you must offer AppleID, you can offer others as well. A scheme like this enables iOS users without being anti competitive.
ryandrake 6y ago
As soon as Apple allows multiple app stores, it's going to be the same crappy situation as we have on PCs: Every goddamned software developer is going to insist on having its own app store. Want an Adobe product? You have to install Adobe's store. Want an Epic product? Epic's store. Want Minecraft? Microsoft store. You'll end up with all these crappy little stores all over your device. Then you'll have store exclusives, and you'll need to search through dozens of stores whenever you want to find something. Yuck!
- pydry 6y ago
  I doubt that these companies will introduce that level of friction without good reason. Assuming a competitive market the number of app stores and their markup should dwindle. It's not like we are overwhelmed with app stores on Android.

horsawlarway 6y ago

You've been suckered into the fear mongering, unfortunately. You already don't have any freaking clue where your credit information is being sold - I promise you it's being sold by your bank (Various "affiliated" 3rd parties pay the bank money for it). It's also being sold by most point of sale companies. Apple is also using that data for its own ad sales. Apple is also using your purchasing data to put small dev shops out of business - They intentionally target apps that they see making money through their payment systems, copy them, and then place their own software at the top of the store results. Very convenient for them. Apple is also tracking when and where you use your apps (don't worry - All in the name of security [fucking /s]). Your biggest fear shouldn't be having to think for a second before handing over your credit card. Your biggest fear should be that you've literally given the richest company in the world full control of your decision making processes, because they happen to be excellent at marketing themselves. Google was that company 15-20 years ago, and look at how well that's working out for all the folks who are slowly trying to move away from that ecosystem now that it's become apparent that no benevolent dictatorship ever lasts - regardless of how great it is at the moment.

philliphaydon 6y ago
I’m less worried about my credit card purchasing history being sold and more worried about the cc info being intercepted and stolen. But if I’m going to share my info with someone, I would rather it be Apple than the likes of Google, epic, or some random app that’s allowed to take payments using whatever they want.
- horsawlarway 6y ago
  Statistically speaking, that's a low percentage of card theft. You're much more likely to have your card information stolen at a physical, point of sale location - Restaurant, gas station, clothing store, etc. If this is really a concern you have, a disposable credit card is a much more reliable way to prevent unauthorized charges. > But if I’m going to share my info with someone, I would rather it be Apple than the likes of Google, epic, or some random app that’s allowed to take payments using whatever they want. You're already sharing this info with all of these folks, plus many, many, many more. This is what I mean when I say your bank is selling that data to affiliated parties. Basically - what makes you think this information is private? Apple has it and uses it to make money. Your bank has it and uses it to make money. Apple happens to be large enough and enough of a monopoly that they can generate money from that information without directly selling it (at the moment, in some places). But they're doing the same thing - Profiling you to make money. The second Apple thinks it will make more money by selling that information, they will. Not to mention it's a tad on the late side, since your bank is already sharing it everywhere.

mywittyname 6y ago

My biggest fear if Apple wins, which I do think will happen, is that general purpose computing will be eliminated. Apple will use their victory to lock down OSX in the same way that IOS has been. So no applications can be installed in OSX without going through the App Store. Then Microsoft will follow suit; future versions of Windows will be MS Store Only unless you pay for an Enterprise license. This could potentially extend to the web as well. Apple already forces any web browser on IOS to use Safari underneath. So there's the potential that Apple could eliminate features from websites, such as the ability to play video, unless those sites pass the strict criteria enforced on native apps from the App Store.

theluketaylor 6y ago
The M1 should be a very strong signal Apple has no intention of taking away general purpose execution. M1 Macs could have easily been as locked as iOS devices, but Apple specifically went out of their way to let device owners load unsigned operating systems if that was something they want to opt in to.