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Curious about your Britain-bashing last line, I had a quick gander. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/whp-origins/era-6-the-long-nineteenth-century-1750-c
by detritus 6y ago
Curious about your Britain-bashing last line, I had a quick gander.
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/whp-origins/era-6-the-long-nineteenth-century-1750-ce-to-1914-ce/62-industrialization-betaa/a/read-egypts-short-lived-industrial-revolution-beta https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/whp-origins/era-6-the...
Seems to suggest that Britain may well have meddled in Egypt's industrialisation, but is by no means absolutely to blame. There's a myriad of reasons Egypt didn't industrialise, as you'd expect from history - nothing's quite so simple.
In fact, it could be argued that Britain did more to raise Egypt up than any other country playing the game at that point in time, of which the UK was just one actor.
People tend to forget that one of the main reasons Britain herself industrialised early and comprehensively was simply thet fact it sits on vast amounts of coal. Egypt does not.
- Synaesthesia 6y agoWell the article you cited has a really important piece: the British simply blocked Egpytian and Ottoman empire imports. They had tremendous control over the seas and Egypt was virtually a colony of the British. Preventing IP from reaching Egypt was a big deal. The US had to pirate a lot of intellectual property from the British in order to develop their industry. Japan also didn't have coal.
- detritus 6y agoYes, I read that line, the third suggestion after leadership woes and a lack of local resources, and one that points at European protectionism generally. Elsewhere in the article in mentions that Egypt herself didn't have an entirely unified stance about embracing industrialisation and it doesn't take much to note a vast gulf between the national psyches of Japan and Egypt, Japan also having been treated somewhat shoddily by Western powers.
- scythe 6y ago>Japan also didn't have coal. Hm? Japan does (or rather did) have coal and mined it extensively during their industrialization. Since coal can come from peat bogs, rainy islands often have some. They also somewhat famously developed cars that ran on coal when their oil supply was cut off in WWII. http://www.japansmeijiindustrialrevolution.com/en/site/coalmining/ http://www.japansmeijiindustrialrevolution.com/en/site/coalm...
- 908B64B197 6y ago> The US had to pirate a lot of intellectual property from the British in order to develop their industry. Citation needed.
- mixmastamyk 6y agoMay be later than desired but the thread reminded me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_technological_cooperation_during_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_technological_cooperati...
- Synaesthesia 6y agohttps://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/07/05/americas-industrial-revolution-based-trade-secret-theft/id=85377/ https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/07/05/americas-industrial-re... https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/07/30/ip_theft_is_what_once_helped_make_america_great_103367.html https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2018/07/30/ip_thef... https://apnews.com/article/b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53 https://apnews.com/article/b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53
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- 908B64B197 6y agoI wonder if it's really some conspiracy from a far away foreign power or local customs that prevented the emergence of a stable industrialized state [0] [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baksheesh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baksheesh [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26588272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26588272