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I'm pleased to see accuracy in the history of techno. I for one did not know it's roots took place back in the 70s and from the black community. These days wh

by mqp 5y ago

I'm pleased to see accuracy in the history of techno. I for one did not know it's roots took place back in the 70s and from the black community. These days when I look at techno artists and their raving followers, its prodimently white. I have since taken active steps to seek out the lesser know black artists to support. Many modern music fundamentals are origins from the black community and very little is correctly attributed and/or black artists are sidelined.

senorjazz 5y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WpudasPafg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WpudasPafg Good documentary on the origins of house and techno from 70s disco, to 4 to the floor disco and the coming of the 808, how this moved to house in chicago and some sci fi nerds with a love for kraftwerk in detroit started techno. Then how the UK got involved and these DJs from the US, used to playing to 50-80 people in tiny underground, often gay clubs would come to the UK and play to 10,000 in massive outdoor / warehouse events and rave was born
- mdbauman 5y ago
  For anyone seeing the copyright claim and wondering what this was, it seems to be a BBC documentary called Can You Feel It - How Dance Music Conquered the World. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11719632/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11719632/
anthk 5y ago
White European here (Spain). Black people in the US invented basically the three modern music roots: - Blues/Rock - Techno - Rap The problem is rap had much better marketing in the US, ditto with rhythm and blues in the 90's.
- dpeck 5y ago
  Can’t forget jazz there either. And I’d argue that blues and rock are separate, but that most rock until late 90s was heavily influenced by blues. But that’s all just fun trying to draw lines where there isn’t a clear difference sometimes.
  - anthk 5y ago
    Well, blues is the son of jazz music :) PD: I didn´t put Blues/Rock as separate entities, but two genres where late blues albums could be considered something as proto-rock. And ditto with jazz-swing-blues. It's like a continuum.
    - te_chris 5y ago
      More like the father!
      - anthk 5y ago
        Oh, TIL. As blues got played until really long (until it gave birth to rock), I tought the opposite.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Omitting jazz from the list of African-American musical innovations is like omitting goal-scoring from Messi's achievements or MacOS from Apple's. Also, by "rap" I think you mean 'hip-hop', which includes sampling and mixing, especially using turntables. > Well, blues is the son of jazz music :) Try some Muddy Waters and John Coltrane, listen, then report back. With due respect, beyond every form of music being related to every other (just like you are probably a distant relative of mine), they are such different genres that my impression of the comment - which could be completely wrong - is that the commenter has not listed to jazz, blues, or both.
- mdhen 5y ago
  not just techno, also house
HKH2 5y ago
It's not uncommon for a popular techno artist to talk about how Detroit techno influenced them. As far as I've seen, Detroit techno artists, most often Black, are given a lot of respect for their contributions, so I would like to hear about who was sidelined or not correctly attributed.
jamal-kumar 5y ago
If you want to see quite the videos check these out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV8_eUJ6C1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV8_eUJ6C1w [ Acid Mix Detroit Chicago - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2wInkVkRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2wInkVkRU [ Techno Jam - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUAqboAvQM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUAqboAvQM [ City of Techno (Detroit) - New Dance Show 1991 ] Great examples of the racial diversity in the early scene in Detroit. I think this was some public access TV show? Anyways speaking from living in Latin America the scene here is HUGE for techno and house, I would probably say the numbers here are bigger and more diverse than I've seen for the same scene in North America and balance out the melanation factor quite a lot
- Toutouxc 5y ago
  It's bizarre and charming at the same time to hear music so similar to the colder, minimal kind of techno you'd expect to hear at a dark themed party in a shady club full of edgy young people, and see the happy, well dressed, colorful, smiling people in the video.
  - jamal-kumar 5y ago
    It's good vibin videos for sure, looked like a great time
- SvenMarquardt 5y ago
  Yes, LATAM has the wildest contemporary techno scene after Europe. The US had next to no techno scene pre-pandemic, a party or two in NY or LA each weekend was it, now its dead.
  - jamal-kumar 5y ago
    Yeah they even have a hardtechno/schranz thing going on in Colombia and Venezuela, bit too turbo for me but still cool Colombia had someone spinning that who was when she was still alive quite the amusement because she changed her name to ladyzunga cyborg and then... this https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/80/590x/Colombian-capital-Bogota-Name-Change-To-Abcdefg-Hijklmn-Opqrst-Uvwxyz-Woman-Legally-Changes-Her-Name-To-Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwx-558707.jpg https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/80/590x/Colombi... RIP abcdefg hijklmn opqrst uvwxyz
devmunchies 5y ago
> it's roots took place ... from the black community > origins from the black community gotta give credit to the engineers who pioneered electronic music synthesis, like Robert Moog, or the Japanese who created Korg synthesizers in the article. Influences for any technology, project, art, etc come from a large web of sources. Racial gatekeeping and attribution is close-minded. Let the people enjoy techno without guilt.
- jamal-kumar 5y ago
  Why guilt? The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtdRd9AuIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtdRd9AuIs And that's OK, there's literally nothing wrong with this. I think there's also a lot of stuff to be said about how there's anecdotes about how the early rave scene had a lot of previously unheard of racial unity going on, stuff like skinhead and rasta gangs or even rival football ultras encountering each other and literally just vibing when they'd be fighting each other before
  - devmunchies 5y ago
    > Why guilt? GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad. > The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black you could say the first stuff anyone started calling electronic music was pretty white. point is, racial attribution for something that has a huge array of influences is silly. > unheard of racial unity going on yes, the way it should be.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      > GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad. I don't see that; I don't see any "guilt", using your word. Can you point it out? People have other motives. My impression is that you brought your own (reactionary?) bias to it, using a reactionary talking point whether it really applies or not. Why bring down someone who is trying to expand their experiences, knowledge, and community, in a world where racism is common and leads to many people being excluded. We should work to include - that's great, creative, positive; there's no reason it needs to be motivated by guilt.
mixmastamyk 5y ago
One root is there definitely in America. However this piece overlooks the work of Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream in Europe in the early 1970s.
SvenMarquardt 5y ago
Detroit techno is a completely different beast to the modern European techno scene. Less than 1% of DJs playing at Berghain are black. Modern techno is dominated by Europeans.

by mqp 5y ago

senorjazz 5y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WpudasPafg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WpudasPafg Good documentary on the origins of house and techno from 70s disco, to 4 to the floor disco and the coming of the 808, how this moved to house in chicago and some sci fi nerds with a love for kraftwerk in detroit started techno. Then how the UK got involved and these DJs from the US, used to playing to 50-80 people in tiny underground, often gay clubs would come to the UK and play to 10,000 in massive outdoor / warehouse events and rave was born

mdbauman 5y ago
For anyone seeing the copyright claim and wondering what this was, it seems to be a BBC documentary called Can You Feel It - How Dance Music Conquered the World. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11719632/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11719632/

anthk 5y ago

White European here (Spain). Black people in the US invented basically the three modern music roots: - Blues/Rock - Techno - Rap The problem is rap had much better marketing in the US, ditto with rhythm and blues in the 90's.

dpeck 5y ago
Can’t forget jazz there either. And I’d argue that blues and rock are separate, but that most rock until late 90s was heavily influenced by blues. But that’s all just fun trying to draw lines where there isn’t a clear difference sometimes.
- anthk 5y ago
  Well, blues is the son of jazz music :) PD: I didn´t put Blues/Rock as separate entities, but two genres where late blues albums could be considered something as proto-rock. And ditto with jazz-swing-blues. It's like a continuum.
  - te_chris 5y ago
    More like the father!
    - anthk 5y ago
      Oh, TIL. As blues got played until really long (until it gave birth to rock), I tought the opposite.
wolverine876 5y ago
Omitting jazz from the list of African-American musical innovations is like omitting goal-scoring from Messi's achievements or MacOS from Apple's. Also, by "rap" I think you mean 'hip-hop', which includes sampling and mixing, especially using turntables. > Well, blues is the son of jazz music :) Try some Muddy Waters and John Coltrane, listen, then report back. With due respect, beyond every form of music being related to every other (just like you are probably a distant relative of mine), they are such different genres that my impression of the comment - which could be completely wrong - is that the commenter has not listed to jazz, blues, or both.
mdhen 5y ago
not just techno, also house

HKH2 5y ago

It's not uncommon for a popular techno artist to talk about how Detroit techno influenced them. As far as I've seen, Detroit techno artists, most often Black, are given a lot of respect for their contributions, so I would like to hear about who was sidelined or not correctly attributed.

jamal-kumar 5y ago

If you want to see quite the videos check these out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV8_eUJ6C1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV8_eUJ6C1w [ Acid Mix Detroit Chicago - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2wInkVkRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz2wInkVkRU [ Techno Jam - New Dance Show 1989 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUAqboAvQM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aUAqboAvQM [ City of Techno (Detroit) - New Dance Show 1991 ] Great examples of the racial diversity in the early scene in Detroit. I think this was some public access TV show? Anyways speaking from living in Latin America the scene here is HUGE for techno and house, I would probably say the numbers here are bigger and more diverse than I've seen for the same scene in North America and balance out the melanation factor quite a lot

Toutouxc 5y ago
It's bizarre and charming at the same time to hear music so similar to the colder, minimal kind of techno you'd expect to hear at a dark themed party in a shady club full of edgy young people, and see the happy, well dressed, colorful, smiling people in the video.
- jamal-kumar 5y ago
  It's good vibin videos for sure, looked like a great time
SvenMarquardt 5y ago
Yes, LATAM has the wildest contemporary techno scene after Europe. The US had next to no techno scene pre-pandemic, a party or two in NY or LA each weekend was it, now its dead.
- jamal-kumar 5y ago
  Yeah they even have a hardtechno/schranz thing going on in Colombia and Venezuela, bit too turbo for me but still cool Colombia had someone spinning that who was when she was still alive quite the amusement because she changed her name to ladyzunga cyborg and then... this https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/80/590x/Colombian-capital-Bogota-Name-Change-To-Abcdefg-Hijklmn-Opqrst-Uvwxyz-Woman-Legally-Changes-Her-Name-To-Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwx-558707.jpg https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/80/590x/Colombi... RIP abcdefg hijklmn opqrst uvwxyz

devmunchies 5y ago

> it's roots took place ... from the black community > origins from the black community gotta give credit to the engineers who pioneered electronic music synthesis, like Robert Moog, or the Japanese who created Korg synthesizers in the article. Influences for any technology, project, art, etc come from a large web of sources. Racial gatekeeping and attribution is close-minded. Let the people enjoy techno without guilt.

jamal-kumar 5y ago
Why guilt? The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtdRd9AuIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtdRd9AuIs And that's OK, there's literally nothing wrong with this. I think there's also a lot of stuff to be said about how there's anecdotes about how the early rave scene had a lot of previously unheard of racial unity going on, stuff like skinhead and rasta gangs or even rival football ultras encountering each other and literally just vibing when they'd be fighting each other before
- devmunchies 5y ago
  > Why guilt? GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad. > The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black you could say the first stuff anyone started calling electronic music was pretty white. point is, racial attribution for something that has a huge array of influences is silly. > unheard of racial unity going on yes, the way it should be.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad. I don't see that; I don't see any "guilt", using your word. Can you point it out? People have other motives. My impression is that you brought your own (reactionary?) bias to it, using a reactionary talking point whether it really applies or not. Why bring down someone who is trying to expand their experiences, knowledge, and community, in a world where racism is common and leads to many people being excluded. We should work to include - that's great, creative, positive; there's no reason it needs to be motivated by guilt.

mixmastamyk 5y ago

One root is there definitely in America. However this piece overlooks the work of Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream in Europe in the early 1970s.

SvenMarquardt 5y ago

Detroit techno is a completely different beast to the modern European techno scene. Less than 1% of DJs playing at Berghain are black. Modern techno is dominated by Europeans.