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Isn't it a completely rational fear that Amazon would just fire most employees if they unionize against Amazon's wishes. Even if this isn't exactly legal, it wo

Isn't it a completely rational fear that Amazon would just fire most employees if they unionize against Amazon's wishes. Even if this isn't exactly legal, it would take years to sort it out in court. Rent's due Monday, no one has time to wait for justice to prevail

mikepurvis 5y ago
Well yes, but that sort of precariousness and the obviousness of the power imbalance between the parties is precisely what makes a union so necessary in the first place.
ceejayoz 5y ago
Yes, it's a rational fear. There should probably be GDPR-style "significant percentage of corporate global revenue" penalties available in these scenarios.
refurb 5y ago
Why do you think it would take years? The NLRB has been known to interject during strikes when either side is breaking the law. It’s not like they can’t act quickly.
- offtop5 5y ago
  Rent's still due Monday. Hypothetically let's say Amazon is found to be at fault, even if action is taken your still out of work. I consider myself fairly educated, and I still have no idea what remedies exist if Amazon was to close a warehouse due to unionization. For working class people who are more concerned about paying their bills, voting for a union sounds like a very risky proposition. There's a very good chance Amazon would find a legal trick to either lay off a significant numbers of their staff, or convert some workers to being tempts
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
    This sounds like fear mongering. How often do union votes result in closures?
    - offtop5 5y ago
      >How often do union votes result in closures? Would you gamble your family eating on this ? I still remember being a low wage worker, fear is apart of the job ! Most people can't even go a few weeks without a check, it's not like us where we can quit and take a few months to find a job which ideologically aligns with our views.
      - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
        More fear mongering. Amazon's not going to set their cash on fire and close the center, they'll take it in the teeth and fight the union tooth and nail at ever step. FTR I'd have voted yes.
        offtop5 5y ago
        See other comments in this thread. Your sitting from an upper middle class position. Working class people don't want to risk missing a check.
      - refurb 5y ago
        Yeah, I would gamble on it if there were no examples of it happening.
    - mrguyorama 5y ago
      Walmart shut down an entire section of it's business because a group successfully unionized.
    - mikepurvis 5y ago
      One prominent example from recent memory: "On November 2, 2017, Ricketts posted to both DNAinfo and the '-ist' network sites that both websites would immediately cease operations, a week after Gothamist writers voted to unionize with the Writers Guild of America, East. All content from all DNAinfo sites and all subsidiary sites were taken down. The next day, archives of the sites were returned to functionality. Ricketts's shutdown was criticized as being a mere act of retaliation after the two companies' workers had joined a union." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothamist#Shutdown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothamist#Shutdown

mikepurvis 5y ago

Well yes, but that sort of precariousness and the obviousness of the power imbalance between the parties is precisely what makes a union so necessary in the first place.

ceejayoz 5y ago

Yes, it's a rational fear. There should probably be GDPR-style "significant percentage of corporate global revenue" penalties available in these scenarios.

refurb 5y ago

Why do you think it would take years? The NLRB has been known to interject during strikes when either side is breaking the law. It’s not like they can’t act quickly.

offtop5 5y ago
Rent's still due Monday. Hypothetically let's say Amazon is found to be at fault, even if action is taken your still out of work. I consider myself fairly educated, and I still have no idea what remedies exist if Amazon was to close a warehouse due to unionization. For working class people who are more concerned about paying their bills, voting for a union sounds like a very risky proposition. There's a very good chance Amazon would find a legal trick to either lay off a significant numbers of their staff, or convert some workers to being tempts
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
  This sounds like fear mongering. How often do union votes result in closures?
  - offtop5 5y ago
    >How often do union votes result in closures? Would you gamble your family eating on this ? I still remember being a low wage worker, fear is apart of the job ! Most people can't even go a few weeks without a check, it's not like us where we can quit and take a few months to find a job which ideologically aligns with our views.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
      More fear mongering. Amazon's not going to set their cash on fire and close the center, they'll take it in the teeth and fight the union tooth and nail at ever step. FTR I'd have voted yes.
      - offtop5 5y ago
        See other comments in this thread. Your sitting from an upper middle class position. Working class people don't want to risk missing a check.
    - refurb 5y ago
      Yeah, I would gamble on it if there were no examples of it happening.
  - mrguyorama 5y ago
    Walmart shut down an entire section of it's business because a group successfully unionized.
  - mikepurvis 5y ago
    One prominent example from recent memory: "On November 2, 2017, Ricketts posted to both DNAinfo and the '-ist' network sites that both websites would immediately cease operations, a week after Gothamist writers voted to unionize with the Writers Guild of America, East. All content from all DNAinfo sites and all subsidiary sites were taken down. The next day, archives of the sites were returned to functionality. Ricketts's shutdown was criticized as being a mere act of retaliation after the two companies' workers had joined a union." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothamist#Shutdown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothamist#Shutdown