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As an Italian constantly exposed to American videos showing clear irrational US based police brutality, I am not sure what you are talking about. Have you got a

As an Italian constantly exposed to American videos showing clear irrational US based police brutality, I am not sure what you are talking about. Have you got any sources supporting these claims?

Smithalicious 5y ago
US police brutality would be unbecoming of a third world country let alone the first world, but that doesn't say anything about Italy.
qsort 5y ago
I'm Italian as well, btw. Just off the top of my head: - 2001 raid on Armando Diaz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Raid_on_Armando_Diaz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Raid_on_Armando_Diaz "The detainees were given few or no blankets, kept awake by guards, given little or no food and denied their statutory right to make phone calls and see a lawyer. They could hear crying and screaming from other cells. Police doctors at the facility also participated in the torture, using ritual humiliation, threats of rape and deprivation of water, food, sleep and medical care." None of the responsible parties served any time. - Way too many to count cold blooded murders of people in custody. The Aldrovandi, Cucchi and Magherini cases are emblematic as they at least got covered by the media. - Violence against minorities, for example: https://www.statewatch.org/media/documents/news/2009/mar/EveryOne%20-%20Report%20Police%20Violence%20in%20Italy_ENG.pdf https://www.statewatch.org/media/documents/news/2009/mar/Eve... - Illegal detentions, for example: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-07-28/california-teen-italy-police-officer-stabbing-death-blindfolded https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-07-28/califo... - General lack of accountability and transparency. - Widespread abuse of power by intimidation. - Flat out lies, helped by crap media. I'll bet you $1,000 that on Dec 25, 2021, the news will report a variant of the following story: an elderly person called the police because they were lonely and wanted a friend to share a glass of spumante with.
- karlp 5y ago
  > Just off the top of my head: - 2001 raid on Armando Diaz. That's 20 years ago, if there is widespread abuse, you'd have something in mind more recent.
  - qsort 5y ago
    1) The other examples in the same comment are more recent. 2) What happened there was so bad Italy was found in violation of ECHR. That nothing has substantially changed is in and of itself a major part of the problem.
    - frostburg 5y ago
      I'm Italian too. It's a problem but honestly our famous cases of policy brutality would barely make the news in the USA, which IIRC had municipal police run off-the-records torture sites.
      - anticristi 5y ago
        I'm kind of enjoying this family fight. I miss meeting my Italian friends. :)
  - rbrtdrmpc- 5y ago
    20 years ago are not that long ago, neither 30, also the police does massive profiling during protests, I've had plenty of friends being profiled (pictures + videos + cross checks) during mild protests just because they were waivings signs. let me rephrase, the italian police does actively get your pictures, cross checks you, and do a profile about you without even being recognized as a previously person of interest to law enforcement
buildbot 5y ago
The Amanda Knox insanity is more recent. The convicted two people for the same crime - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Tri...

As an Italian constantly exposed to American videos showing clear irrational US based police brutality, I am not sure what you are talking about. Have you got any sources supporting these claims?

Smithalicious 5y ago

US police brutality would be unbecoming of a third world country let alone the first world, but that doesn't say anything about Italy.

qsort 5y ago

I'm Italian as well, btw. Just off the top of my head: - 2001 raid on Armando Diaz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Raid_on_Armando_Diaz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Raid_on_Armando_Diaz "The detainees were given few or no blankets, kept awake by guards, given little or no food and denied their statutory right to make phone calls and see a lawyer. They could hear crying and screaming from other cells. Police doctors at the facility also participated in the torture, using ritual humiliation, threats of rape and deprivation of water, food, sleep and medical care." None of the responsible parties served any time. - Way too many to count cold blooded murders of people in custody. The Aldrovandi, Cucchi and Magherini cases are emblematic as they at least got covered by the media. - Violence against minorities, for example: https://www.statewatch.org/media/documents/news/2009/mar/EveryOne%20-%20Report%20Police%20Violence%20in%20Italy_ENG.pdf https://www.statewatch.org/media/documents/news/2009/mar/Eve... - Illegal detentions, for example: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-07-28/california-teen-italy-police-officer-stabbing-death-blindfolded https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-07-28/califo... - General lack of accountability and transparency. - Widespread abuse of power by intimidation. - Flat out lies, helped by crap media. I'll bet you $1,000 that on Dec 25, 2021, the news will report a variant of the following story: an elderly person called the police because they were lonely and wanted a friend to share a glass of spumante with.

karlp 5y ago
> Just off the top of my head: - 2001 raid on Armando Diaz. That's 20 years ago, if there is widespread abuse, you'd have something in mind more recent.
- qsort 5y ago
  1) The other examples in the same comment are more recent. 2) What happened there was so bad Italy was found in violation of ECHR. That nothing has substantially changed is in and of itself a major part of the problem.
  - frostburg 5y ago
    I'm Italian too. It's a problem but honestly our famous cases of policy brutality would barely make the news in the USA, which IIRC had municipal police run off-the-records torture sites.
    - anticristi 5y ago
      I'm kind of enjoying this family fight. I miss meeting my Italian friends. :)
- rbrtdrmpc- 5y ago
  20 years ago are not that long ago, neither 30, also the police does massive profiling during protests, I've had plenty of friends being profiled (pictures + videos + cross checks) during mild protests just because they were waivings signs. let me rephrase, the italian police does actively get your pictures, cross checks you, and do a profile about you without even being recognized as a previously person of interest to law enforcement

buildbot 5y ago

The Amanda Knox insanity is more recent. The convicted two people for the same crime - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Tri...