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> It looks like people are discoursing, but they are really just signalling. I was looking to put words on my feeling about this, and you did it perfectly. I

> It looks like people are discoursing, but they are really just signalling. I was looking to put words on my feeling about this, and you did it perfectly. I was wondering why suddenly so many people voiced the same engaged opinion, while I know for having discussed with them in private settings that they don't think deeply about society. Now I realize that's because they want to look like they belong to a certain kind of people. It's not about ideas. It's about tribes.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
> It's not about ideas. It's about tribes. wonder what percentage of our likelihood to survive depend on ensuring we still are part of the tribe (e.g. signalling)? I think all communication other than the functional coordination of mundane things (can you pick the kids up today? how much for X etc) would fall into that category. Why otherwise bother with any of it at all? It seems there is perhaps a relation between the amount of tribalism and uncertainty in life people face? It's easier to take risks and care about art and talk about very complex topics in a distanced way with people from opposing views when we're not in the thick of it?
- circlefavshape 6y ago
  In my more pessimistic moments I find myself moving towards the same conclusion. The vast majority of communication between people seems, at its root, to simply be sorting of in-group from out-group
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MomoXenosaga 6y ago
My brother is an artist and the stories he tells about the art world are hilarious. He's gay with brown skin and votes left so I consider him reasonably unbiased. Hardly a reactionary. Radicalisation on the left spectrum of the horseshoe.
- BiteCode_dev 6y ago
  Oh, please share.
ectopod 6y ago
I thought this was very insightful: https://www.edge.org/response-detail/27181 https://www.edge.org/response-detail/27181 When choosing what to believe people ask “what is the social consequence of accepting the facts as they are?” It explains the tribalism and the signalling and more besides.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

> It's not about ideas. It's about tribes. wonder what percentage of our likelihood to survive depend on ensuring we still are part of the tribe (e.g. signalling)? I think all communication other than the functional coordination of mundane things (can you pick the kids up today? how much for X etc) would fall into that category. Why otherwise bother with any of it at all? It seems there is perhaps a relation between the amount of tribalism and uncertainty in life people face? It's easier to take risks and care about art and talk about very complex topics in a distanced way with people from opposing views when we're not in the thick of it?

circlefavshape 6y ago
In my more pessimistic moments I find myself moving towards the same conclusion. The vast majority of communication between people seems, at its root, to simply be sorting of in-group from out-group

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MomoXenosaga 6y ago

My brother is an artist and the stories he tells about the art world are hilarious. He's gay with brown skin and votes left so I consider him reasonably unbiased. Hardly a reactionary. Radicalisation on the left spectrum of the horseshoe.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago
Oh, please share.

ectopod 6y ago

I thought this was very insightful: https://www.edge.org/response-detail/27181 https://www.edge.org/response-detail/27181 When choosing what to believe people ask “what is the social consequence of accepting the facts as they are?” It explains the tribalism and the signalling and more besides.