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>People do not want to share important know-how with other people who may plausibly use the same know-how against them. Won't mathematics and sciences contradi

>People do not want to share important know-how with other people who may plausibly use the same know-how against them. Won't mathematics and sciences contradict this? If we stop antagonizing each other and create doom scenarios and propaganda we could avoid the "use against each other part". Also in a few years China will have a space station(and nobody else) and then you will want they share information with the science community . I am wondering is some older US citizen that reads this and also played Fallout, was US such a paranoid and propaganda filled country? do they see communist everywhere? I still hope that the number of paranoid and nationalistic people will go down. world wide (I am not accusing any specific country, so no need to defend )

rbanffy 6y ago
Most Americans I know in the same age group as me grew up thinking Communism is a political model, not an economic one, and to conflate democracy with capitalism. And to think only the extremes can exist. We don’t need to look further than China to see clearly capitalism works a lot better without a democracy holding it back.
inglor_cz 6y ago
Well, I am a Czech and we had a Communist regime here in practice, people being hanged for thoughtcrimes or forced to process uranium ore with their bare hands as a punishment. I am aware that in US discourse, anti-Communist paranoia serves as an example of stupid panic, but I must say that it wasn't entirely unfounded. Early 1950s were very bad behind the Iron Curtain. Very, very violent and unjust times. The regimes mostly tamed themselves once Stalin was dead, that is true. ---------- "If we stop antagonizing each other and create doom scenarios and propaganda we could avoid the "use against each other part"." People will never stop antagonizing one another, just visit Twitter and look at the hostile bubbles that emerge there. If anything, Twitter revealed just how much hate for the other is in hearts of men. Removing it is equivalent for a major redesign of human beings as they are. That said, antagonism does not have to lead to violence and war, most Twitter opponents do not bash their heads in reality either. But the fundamental game theory is against your wish. You need everybody on board for lasting peace. You need just one defector from the peace contract to create a need for military for everyone else. This is a classical hawk vs. dove game. https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/game-theory-evolutionary-stable-strategies-and-the-25953132/ https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/game-theor...
- simion314 6y ago
  I am from Romania so I know what communism was about. I don't know how was on the other side, things like "do you want to do X ? are you a communist?", "don't read that book, it will make you a communist". Thought he main point is if you grabbed regular people from all those different systems and put them on an island on a village they would find a way to collaborate and survive, you just need to not have an extremist with good manipulation skills in there.
  - throwaway4good 6y ago
    Do you guys consider Russia of today communist? Are you sure that communism as practiced today in China is the same thing as it was back in Warsaw pact Romania or Czechoslovakia?
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      Can't speak for the rest of the country, but I see Russia as a power hungry state that just exchanged some of the less relevant attributes for a new mix. Communism practiced today in China is rather different from the Czechoslovak version. Czechoslovak Communist Party was, after the 1968 failed liberalization, very orthodox and "sinning" against the basic principles, like allowing more private businesses, met a very tough opposition from the ideologues. As a result, the country stopped being able to compete economically, which greatly contributed to the downfall of the regime. Chinese Communist Party took note of this development and allowed special economic zones etc., so the state of the private market is absolutely incomparable to the Czechoslovak one of the 1980s. What is similar, though, is the vigorous effort to prevent undesirable ideas from spreading, especially any kind of mockery towards the big wigs.
    - simion314 6y ago
      I think most of the issues with communist countries was the supreme leader, this guy always think he is the father of the people, the smartest and the greatest dude in the country(I am wondering if they actually believe it and if most of us if placed in such a powerful position we end up with a giant ego - similar like some present day GEOs/billionaires) , I do not see Russia as communist, just an authoritarian state , there might be some in the population with some extremist view but I am sure I could make great friends with most of the regular Russians,Chinese or North Korean citizens. My grandfather lived in the monarchy before communism, the communism and the current regime and he prefers the communism , I do not agree with him but I understand his perspective and from that point of view makes sense.

rbanffy 6y ago

Most Americans I know in the same age group as me grew up thinking Communism is a political model, not an economic one, and to conflate democracy with capitalism. And to think only the extremes can exist. We don’t need to look further than China to see clearly capitalism works a lot better without a democracy holding it back.

inglor_cz 6y ago

Well, I am a Czech and we had a Communist regime here in practice, people being hanged for thoughtcrimes or forced to process uranium ore with their bare hands as a punishment. I am aware that in US discourse, anti-Communist paranoia serves as an example of stupid panic, but I must say that it wasn't entirely unfounded. Early 1950s were very bad behind the Iron Curtain. Very, very violent and unjust times. The regimes mostly tamed themselves once Stalin was dead, that is true. ---------- "If we stop antagonizing each other and create doom scenarios and propaganda we could avoid the "use against each other part"." People will never stop antagonizing one another, just visit Twitter and look at the hostile bubbles that emerge there. If anything, Twitter revealed just how much hate for the other is in hearts of men. Removing it is equivalent for a major redesign of human beings as they are. That said, antagonism does not have to lead to violence and war, most Twitter opponents do not bash their heads in reality either. But the fundamental game theory is against your wish. You need everybody on board for lasting peace. You need just one defector from the peace contract to create a need for military for everyone else. This is a classical hawk vs. dove game. https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/game-theory-evolutionary-stable-strategies-and-the-25953132/ https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/game-theor...

simion314 6y ago
I am from Romania so I know what communism was about. I don't know how was on the other side, things like "do you want to do X ? are you a communist?", "don't read that book, it will make you a communist". Thought he main point is if you grabbed regular people from all those different systems and put them on an island on a village they would find a way to collaborate and survive, you just need to not have an extremist with good manipulation skills in there.
- throwaway4good 6y ago
  Do you guys consider Russia of today communist? Are you sure that communism as practiced today in China is the same thing as it was back in Warsaw pact Romania or Czechoslovakia?
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    Can't speak for the rest of the country, but I see Russia as a power hungry state that just exchanged some of the less relevant attributes for a new mix. Communism practiced today in China is rather different from the Czechoslovak version. Czechoslovak Communist Party was, after the 1968 failed liberalization, very orthodox and "sinning" against the basic principles, like allowing more private businesses, met a very tough opposition from the ideologues. As a result, the country stopped being able to compete economically, which greatly contributed to the downfall of the regime. Chinese Communist Party took note of this development and allowed special economic zones etc., so the state of the private market is absolutely incomparable to the Czechoslovak one of the 1980s. What is similar, though, is the vigorous effort to prevent undesirable ideas from spreading, especially any kind of mockery towards the big wigs.
  - simion314 6y ago
    I think most of the issues with communist countries was the supreme leader, this guy always think he is the father of the people, the smartest and the greatest dude in the country(I am wondering if they actually believe it and if most of us if placed in such a powerful position we end up with a giant ego - similar like some present day GEOs/billionaires) , I do not see Russia as communist, just an authoritarian state , there might be some in the population with some extremist view but I am sure I could make great friends with most of the regular Russians,Chinese or North Korean citizens. My grandfather lived in the monarchy before communism, the communism and the current regime and he prefers the communism , I do not agree with him but I understand his perspective and from that point of view makes sense.